Sunday, March 28, 2004
|About Footballs Featured Mock drafts:|
25. DT Dwan Edwards, Oregon State. Green Bay signed Grady Jackson at the conclusion of this season, but the defensive tackle position could still use some more depth. At this point it will be a matter of who's available at the defensive end, and defensive tackle position. I think they'd rather have a defensive end, and it really depends on what defensive tackles and defensive ends are avilable at this point.
#10 Submitted by Splodem
25. DT Dwan Edwards, Oregon State. Green Bay will take steps to find Favre's successor either prior to the draft or in later rounds, but will look to find Gilbert Brown's here.
#9 Submitted by Goshorn83
25. Jonathan Vilma, OLB, Miami. Vilma would finish linebacker corps with Barnett.
#8 Submitted by BillsRockSoMuch
22. DE Kenechi Udeze, USC. Green Bay trades up to grab the top tier pass rusher they crave. I could easily see Udeze going much earlier than this, perhaps even in the top 10 when all is said and done. But if he lasts this long, he would be a perfect fit as he is adept at stopping the run as well as wreaking hovoc in the backfield. Udeze is a beast. His presence will take a lot of the pressure off of KGB and give Green Bay perhaps the best set of bookends in the league.
56. Safety Stuart Schweigert - Purdue.
#7 Submitted by LynxMinus
20. David Pollack DE Georgia 6'3 275. They desperately need help on the defensive line... anywhere on the line. They may also take J.P. Losman and groom him for a year or two under Farve, but that has never been a Packer trait. Look at the other QBs Farve groomed over the years... Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasseback.
Other possibilities - J.P. Losman
#4 Submitted by NFL MVP
26. Randy Starks, DT, Maryland. Pack need a DT to take Gilbert Brown's place Starks is a huge run stuffer with moderate pass rush ability. Comparable to Anthony McFarland.
#2 Submitted by Cotts
17. Darnell Dockett, DE/DT, 6-4, 285, Florida State.
48. Isaac Soponga, DT, 6-3, 315, Hawaii.
80. Dexter Reed, FS, 6-0, 190, North Carolina.
112. Shawntee Spencer, CB, 6-2, 185, Pittsburgh.
#1 Submitted by Wynninc
...If you consider it a sport to gather your food by drilling through 18 inches of ice and sitting there all day hoping that the food will swim by.
...If you're proud that your region makes the national news 96 nights each year because International Falls is the coldest spot in the nation.
...If you have had a lengthy telephone conversation with someone who dialed a wrong number.
...If you have ever refused to buy something because it's "too spendy".
...If your town has an equal number of bars and churches.
...Your idea of a traffic jam is ten cars waiting to pass a tractor on the highway.
...You know several people who have hit deer more than once.
...You design your kid's Halloween costume to fit over a snowsuit.
...You can drive 65 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard, with-out flinching.
...You were unaware that there is a legal drinking age.
Friday, March 26, 2004
|25. QB Phil Rivers (North Carolina State). Needs: QB, CB, DL, S, LB. The Packers could use to find a future signal caller in this draft. Rivers' value is still a big question, but if the Packers would like to add him to the mix, they'll need to spend a 1st round pick on him here because it's doubtful he'd be available in the 2nd round.
Ask The Commish.Com
|25. Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama. The Packers are really in need of a top defensive end to compliment Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila so after striking out on Joe Johnson in free agency and Jamal Reynolds in the draft they go back to the well once again. Alabama sent a slew of defensive lineman to the NFL in the 2003 Draft, which left Odom as a marked man as a junior but he was still able to come through with a fine effort, recording 8 sacks and 9.5 tackles for a loss. A two-way end with the speed to be a force rushing the passer as well as the size to be a factor in stopping the run, Odom would be an ideal fit for Green Bay and is the consensus #3 defensive end behind Kenechi Udeze and Will Smith. The Packers could also consider a linebacker like D.J. Williams, Jonathan Vilma or Karlos Dansby or even a safety such as Matt Ware but with defensive end as a glaring need and Odom still on the board that would seem to make the most sense. A surprise here could be DE Jason Babin of Western Michigan, who was extremely productive and a sack machine the last couple of years and a guy whose stock is really on the rise.
55. Will Allen, S, Ohio St. The hard hitting, sure tackler the Packers are looking for at safety.
86. Matt Schaub, QB, Virginia. A signal caller to groom as the great Brett Favre's successor.
NFL Draft Countdown.Com
Thursday, March 25, 2004
Biggest loss: Would you believe punter Josh Bidwell, who signed with Tampa Bay? That's how low-profile this offseason has been so far for the Pack.
Our take: Green Bay is banking a lot on this year's draft, and most of the upgrades still need to come on the defensive side of the ball. The juiciest question still unanswered is whether the team can afford to take a first-round quarterback like J.P. Losman as Brett Favre's heir apparent?
Gained or lost ground: Held their ground.
Don Banks - SI.Com
Wednesday, March 24, 2004
...If your local Dairy Queen is closed from November through March.
...If you have worn shorts and a parka at the same time.
...If you have either a pet or a child named "Brett".
...If you think that ketchup is a little too spicy.
...If someone in a store offers you assistance, and they don't work there.
...If every time you see moonlight on a lake, you think of a dancing bear, and you sing gently, "From the land of sky-blue waters".
Tuesday, March 23, 2004
...You think of the major food groups as beer, fish and venison.
...You carry jumper cables in your car and your girlfriend knows how to use them.
...Your idea of creative landscaping is a statue of a deer next to your blue spruce.
...You find 0 degrees "a little chilly."
...Your whole family wears Packer Green to church on Sunday.
...A "brat" is something you eat.
...You refer to the Packers as "We."
Monday, March 22, 2004
|25. CB DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech. It's not often that a team with as many titles can be considered a cinderella story. Green Bay had the most bizarre ending to the season, starting with Brett Farve's father dying, finishing in overtime against the Eagles after a blown 4th and 26 defense.
With Brett Farve returning for another year, the Packers do have to consider succession. Is J. P. Losman the guy? Whomever replaces Farve will suffer the constant comparison, and will be set up to fail. Better to suffer a couple seasons with Craig Nall or a journeyman QB than waste a number one pick on a guy who, no matter how good he is, will never compare to the great one. In this era of instant star, Green Bay cannot afford to clipboard a high-priced first-rounder. If he's available in round two, J. P. Losman will be watching from Lambeau's sidelines.
Green Bay has a great offensive line, a steller backfield, and some high potential wide receivers. If Ben Troupe were here, he'd be a nice addition. But Green Bay has had terrible luck on defense, with the injury to Joe Johnson and a host of other injuries. Green Bay goes either defensive end here, or cornerback. Antwan Odom is a strong possibility here for the end, but the Pack have an intriguing choice between DeAngelo Hall and Will Poole. I think Hall's flexibility as a punt returner will be attractive, since Green Bay has struggled since Desmond Howard changed his pants.
|25. Derrick Strait CB Oklahoma. Green Bay type of player!
25. QB J.P. Losman, Tulane. Every year I say the Pack will take a QB for the future, and every year they don't.
25. Philip Rivers QB NC St. Pretty fun guy to watch even though he played for the nasty Wolf Pack. Will tutor under Brett for a year or so then he'll take on the Tundra.
Steven Hammond - NY Football Digest.Com
Saturday, March 20, 2004
And it looks like Pileg has been passing around those Lombardi Shots again.
Friday, March 19, 2004
25. WR Michael Jenkins, Ohio State University. Last year I would have selected DT Randy Starks to plug up the gap left by Gilbert Brown. But Grady Jackson and Rod Walker filled that position well. Joe Johnson should come back from injury and KGB rules the other end of the line. The linebacker corps looks very fast and athletic, and should continue to grow together.
The Packers need a knockout safety such as Sean Taylor on defense but could do with another CB. DeAngelo Hall would be tempting as he could return punts. But I think the Pack will give Brett Favre a reason to stay for another couple seasons — a big wide receiver who will go over the middle to run over folks. Michael Jenkins isn't fast but he has great hands and is 6'4", 210 lbs. He'll be a great possession receiver in a possession receiver offense.
25. J.P. Losman, Tulane QB. Favres days are numbered. J.P. Losman will get a year or two to study the great Brett Favre before taking over the helm.
Team Needs: Quarterback, Defensive LIne, Offensive Line
|25. Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State. Recently, I argued that Green Bay shouldn't draft a quarterback in the first round, because they could easily add one in the middle rounds, and drafting one early would displease Brett Favre. However, if Phillip Rivers is still around, the Packers must select him. If they don't, they'll add a defensive lineman or a linebacker.
56. Dontarrious Thomas, OLB, Auburn. Green Bay needs to improve their front seven, so either a defensive lineman or a linebacker is the way to go.
Walter Cherepinsky Draft 2004
|The Referee had accidentally collided with a Packers football player, fallen and injured his knee. On his way back from the Head Trainer's Room after the game, he met the Packer player from the game.
"You all right ref? You don't look so good. Bad news from the doc?"
"Yes it is. He says I can't Referee."
"Oh. Seen you in action has he . . .?"
|Following a game where he had to send off two players from each side, the Referee decides to make a quick getaway after the game, and speeds off in his car. In his haste, he overturns his car on the first bend, and is thrown out through his windshield.
A few moments later, one of the players arrives in his car and goes to the aid of the Referee who looks in a bad way. The player whips out his cell phone and calls 911.
He gasps to the operator: "The Referee is dead! What can I do?".
The operator, in a calm and soothing voice says: "Just take it easy, I can help. First, let’s make sure the Referee is dead."
There’s a short silence, followed by a kind of choking, throttling sound…..and finally a loud gurgled scream. The player’s voice comes back on the line. He says: "OK, so now what do I do?".
Thursday, March 18, 2004
|25. JP Losman, QB, Tulane 4.73/40. The Packers are looking for their future Quarterback and seem to be high on Losman. He is a tough, athletic passer with all the tools but he may take some time.
|25. Marquise Hill Defensive End LSU. Hill is an every down defender the Pack needs along their defensive front
NFL Draft Blitz.Com
25. Phil Rivers - QB - North Carolina State. Now is he a fluke - or is there something to this kid? He has an unorthodox throwing style - but they said that about many other successful QB's before. Rivers looked lights out in the Senior Bowl - but he'll be sure to take his lumps in the pros - however, the potential here could make for an All-Pro in the next few years once he gets some experience. He'll be learning how to play QB behind quite possibly the greatest QB of our time - and that can't hurt a bit. Rivers will be the future of the Packers, and it is a perfect fit - that Packer fans can thank Miami and Dallas for because it never would've happened had those teams not gambled on Plan B's.
Searle's NFL Draft Arena
|According to Google's Language Translator, the following image and link reference that was found at the website Indigo is in Portuguese and translates roughly as follows:
Minnesotta Vikings em Banho Maria.
Apresentando agora os adora ve is Minnesota Vikings em banho Maria.
Minnesota Vikings in Bath Maria.
Presenting is Minnesota Vikings in bath adores them now ve Maria.
Now, allow us here at Packer Palace to do a re-translation, just to make this much more clearer for all of you in Cheddar Land and that brown wasteland that's Minnesota:
The Vikings, as usual, end their season prematurely by "taking a bath" in the most important game of their year, which results in them missing the playoffs, (and lets the Packers in) and see their chances of ever winning a Superbowl decrease from Slim and None, to Zero, and Maria, who appears to be already dating a Cardinal, is Hot Hot Hot!
Wednesday, March 17, 2004
|25. Philip Rivers, QB, North Carolina State. Needs: CB, S, LB. The Packers have two clouds hanging over their head. The number of years Brett Favre will stay in the game, and their salary cap dilemma, which could create some frustrations down the road. They shored up their defensive line last year through free agency, but they still have the rest of their defense to be concerned about. The problem is, Head coach/General manager Mike Sherman seems more concerned about who will play quarterback after Favre is gone then he is in getting a solid defense on the field.|
|Since it wasn’t the Packers offense that was rated fourth in the NFL in 2003 that let them down, why wouldn’t he consider addressing the problems with the seventeenth rated defense that was twenty-second against the pass? With CB Dunta Robinson probably still on the boards, they could grab him and turn him into an instant starter at least as a nickel back, and he could become a fixture at CB within a few games. He may even be better than what the scouts have given him credit, and may well become another Champ Bailey when it comes to shutting down receivers. The Packers should also consider OLB Karlos Dansby, and OLB Michael Boulware as well, but will more than likely be looking at QB Philip Rivers or J. P. Losman as the heir apparent to Favre.
JP Savage - Football Forecasters Staff Writer
|25. Dunta Robinson - CB. The Packers are looking for DB depth.
Brent Foshee - PackerReport.com 2004 Mock Draft 1.0
25. Dwan Edwards - DT. This guy was probably the PAC-10's best defensive player that did not get as much recognition as he should have. The Packers can use some defense and Edwards would be a nice fit.
Tim Secor - NY Football Digest
25. Antwan Odom - Alabama DE 6'6" 274lbs. Jr. The Packers free agent signing from last season Joe Johnson has played terrible, and they need someone that can come in right away and start, I believe that Odom can. Odom left school early as did a lot of players but if he would have came back to Alabama I think he was in consideration for a top 5 pick, he came into the combine and terrific size at 6'6".
|- Calling "heads or tails" but never getting any... "head" or "tail".
- Official rule books not made in Braille.
- Anyone who makes a call against the Detroit Lions risks pissing off their last remaining fan.
- I'm the one that everybody wants to kill, so where's MY helmet and pads?!
|A Referee went to heaven. On arriving at the Pearly Gates, St. Peter asked him if he had done anything wrong in his life.
He replied that he was Refereeing a game between the Packers and the Bears at Lambeau Field. With just a few minutes to go, and with the Bears up 14-10, he gave a penalty to the Packers in front of their own End Zone. 'But', he said, 'it wasn't really a penalty'.
St. Peter said to him, 'when was this?'.
The Referee looked down at his watch and said 'about 35 seconds ago'.
Tuesday, March 16, 2004
Hey its Pileg! (2nd from left) Creator of "The Lombardi Shot".
Sunday, March 14, 2004
|25. Marquise Hill, DE LSU. The Packers did a nice job of solidifying their defensive line with the addition of DT Grady Jackson during the 2003 season, and now they will likely focus on an every-down left defensive end to complement Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila.
|25. JP Losman, QB Tulane. This seems to be the popular pick as of late, and rightfully so. Favre doesn't have much left in the tank, regardless of what anybody says. They need a young QB to groom behind Favre, and Losman seems to be cut from the same mold, a gun slinger with a cannon for an arm.
25. Antwan Odom, DE 6'6" 275# 4.7 Alabama. Comments: Joe Johnson has been a major disappointment and Odom has impressed with top athletic ability in the pre-draft workouts.
|25. Stuart Schweigert (S/Purdue). The Packers tab their second straight defensive player by selecting Schweigert. Despite glaring drawbacks, Schweigert may be the most underrated defensive back in this draft.
Pro Football News.Net
|...Gwyn's Most Excellent Adventure!|
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Saturday, March 13, 2004
|...It's Rockwood's Creature Double Feature!|
Complete the Trifecta! The Creature returns
in The Pirate Love Boat.
Friday, March 12, 2004
|25. Jonathan Vilma - LB/Miami-Florida. Despite debate as to his skill, Vilma would fit in nicely with a desperate Packers defense. His untouchable speed and insatiable hitting ability make Vilma the perfect twentieth selection. His exposure to top-flight competition and contests will also be key, as the Packers may begin the post Brett Favre era in 2004.
|25. Phillips Rivers - QB/NC State. Before the Senior Bowl, J.P. Losman and Rivers were first-round toss ups. As it stands now, Rivers should be the third QB selected, and don’t be surprised if he moves up into the top 15. Rivers was a four-year starter at NCSU, and his experience will help him become the 2005 opening day starter for the Pack.
No Blood No Foul.Com
25. Derrick Strait - CB/Oklahoma. Probably the best pure cover corner in college football. Great field awareness and a solid playmaker. Although he is fast but not in the elite speed group and though being listed at 5' 11" some question his height.
Thursday, March 11, 2004
|25. Marcus Tubbs, DT Texas / Randy Starks, DT Maryland. O.K. so tackle isn't a glaring weakness on the Packers, but that's where the value is late in the first round. They hit a home run last year with LB Nick Barnett and could go again go with a player that few are looking at as a first rounder.
College Football News.Com
25. DJ Williams, LB, Miami. Needs: QB, CB, DL, S, LB. The Packers could use to find help in their secondary here or for their DL, or even help at LB. There will also be some pressure for the Packers to secure their future signal caller in this draft. The Packers don't really need to spend another first round pick on a LB, but Williams could be too good to pass on.
Ask The Commish.Com
25. Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma The Packers will enter this year’s draft with no huge needs, but no great strengths as well. That is why, once again I went best player available. Strait would be a great compliment to their already strong corners.
NFL Draft World.Com
|There were three football fans walking towards the Football Hall of Fame when all of a sudden one of them noticed a leg sticking out of the bushes. They moved closer and and noticed that it was a dead naked woman.
Out of respect for the woman the Bears fan took off his cap and set it on her right breast. Then out of respect to the woman the Packers fan took off his hat and set it on her left breast. Last but not least the Vikings fan took off his hat and set it on her crotch.
Shortly after that the police showed up and the sheriff started his inspection. He picked up the Bears cap and put it back down and jotted down a few notes. Then he looked under the Packers cap and put it back down and jotted down a few notes. Then the sheriff looked under the Vikings cap and put it back down. Then he picked it back up again and put it back down. And he did it again.
The Vikings fan got upset and asked the sheriff why he kept looking under his cap? The sheriff said "I can't help it, every time I see a Vikings cap I'm... I'm just used to seeing an asshole underneath it."
Wednesday, March 10, 2004
|25. QB Phil Rivers North Carolina St. The Packers may want to consider help for an inconsistent secondary, but now would be a good time to consider an eventual replacement for Favre. If the Packers are ready to start building for the future, Rivers is a solid choice. Despite what scouts call "unorthodox" mechanics, Rivers managed to set all kinds of NCAA and ACC records during his college career and capped all of it off by earning MVP honors during the 2004 Senior Bowl after a nearly flawless day that included two impressive TD passes.
|25. J.P. Losman - Tulane QB - 6'3" 220lbs. Sr. In the Packers passing game Brett Favre is really all they've had to have for the last few years, and Losman was projected a late first rounder and a good combine moves him up to this spot, Losman reminds me alot of a bigger version of Mark Brunell or a Kyle Boller, his potential sets him apart from Philip Rivers but he just isn't there at this point.
Tuesday, March 09, 2004
|25. Marquise Hill Defensive End LSU. It looks like this is going to be another draft where everyone feels the Packers will draft a quarterback to eventually serve as the successor to Brett Favre. While drafting a quarterback is possible I think help along the defensive line is needed most. A player as big as Marquise Hill with his freakish skills would be welcomed in Green Bay.
Other possibilities: Antwan Odom DE Alabama, Philip Rivers QB NC State.
25. Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan. The Packers will likely be looking to improve their defense early on and will be looking at defensive ends and safeties specifically. Joe Johnson has been a massive disappointment for the Packers as a free agent so the need to bring in an end to compliment Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila is prevalent. Babin has been one of the most productive defensive ends in college football the past two years, coming through with 15 sacks in both his junior and senior seasons despite being the focal point of most offenses and going up against some solid competition, playing teams such as Michigan, Purdue, Michigan St., Virginia and Marshall. After a strong showing at the combine Babin's name is seemingly on everyone's lips and he appears to have moved into the first round.
Matt Ware could be a consideration at safety and a linebacker like Jonathan Vilma, D.J. Williams or Karlos Dansby could be possibilities as well, but the need for a top-flight end may take precedence and Babin would be a good fit.
NFL Draft Countdown.Com
|25. Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama. There is no denying that Green Bay is considering drafting a quarterback like Rivers or Losman, and they are also in the mix for Drew Henson. With Brett Favre still playing at a very high level though, the Packers need to go for a championship run in 2004. That means upgrading the defensive line and secondary. Odom had 10 sacks last season in an his junior campaign for the crimson Tide.
|A Green Bay fan use to amuse himself by scaring every Bears fan he saw strutting down the street in the blue and orange colors. He would swerve his van as if to hit them, and swerve back just missing them.
One day, while driving along. He saw a priest. He thought he would do a good deed, and he pulled over.
He asked the priest, Where are you going Father? I'm going to give mass at St. Joseph's church, about 5 miles down the road, replied the priest. No problem Father, climb in and I'll give you a lift.
The priest climbed into the passenger seat, and they continued down the road. Suddenly, the driver saw a Bears fan walking down the road, and he instinctively swerved as if to hit him. But, as usual, he swerved back onto the road just in time.
Even though he was certain that he had missed the guy, he still heard a loud THUD. Not understanding where the noise came from, he glanced in his mirrors, but didn't see anything. He then remembered the priest, and he turned to the priest and said, I'm sorry Father, I almost hit that Bears fan.
That's OK, replied the priest, I got him with the door.
Vince Capone in "The Night Chicago Died".
Monday, March 08, 2004
|Sporting News The Experts Choice...|
Version 5.0 - 25. Lee Evans WR Wisconsin. QB Philip Rivers would be the popular pick to succeed Brett Favre, but the Packers should focus on immediate needs. Our sources say the team will address DL, CB and S in free agency, leaving WR as the biggest need on draft day.
Version 4.0 - 25. Philip Rivers QB N.C. State. The Packers have other needs (defensive line and secondary), but if Rivers falls here, they can't pass him up. With a strong showing at the Senior Bowl to cap off a brilliant four-year college career, Rivers has overcome concerns about his funky throwing motion.
Version 2.0 - 25. J.P. Losman QB Tulane. The Packers' window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl is now, which is why they may elect to draft a defensive end with this pick, because he would provide a more immediate impact. Brett Favre will return for at least one more season, but his retirement looms and if the Packers address their long-term QB situation, Losman is the right fit.
Sunday, March 07, 2004
25. - DE Marquise Hill LSU 6'7" 294 Jr. Injury-prone Joe Johnson has underwhelmed Cheeseheads, and Hill could be used as a pass rusher opposite KGB as well as in the D-line rotation. In a perfect world, the Packers get Hill then trade their second- and third-round picks to get Tulane QB J.P. Losman very early in Round 2. Of course, this isn't a perfect world.
B. Duane Cross - CNNSI Sports Writer
Saturday, March 06, 2004
|After years of going to GB and years of drinking, I finally put two and two together and discovered that there wasn't one drink (not only in GB) anywhere in this country dedicated to Coach Lombardi. This is not only a crime, but just poor marketing. Everywhere you go there are Packer fans, and surely even if the drink sucked, people would order it in honor of a touchdown at a minimum every Sunday. The other thought behind it was not only Lombardi and his accomplishments, but also it should represent the most dominate team to ever play the game. Many have opinions, but its hard to argue with the 66 team.|
|The ingredients are: One shot of Bacardi (regular) rum, one equal shot of Triple sec, and a twist of lime. Not to sweet, not to harsh, and after two they really start flowing. Let me know what you think.
P.S. Mix it right (a good method is poor half bacardi in a glass of ice and half triple sec in a glass and shake it up and pour shots),....and you'll be walking home!
Beerkid taking the official taste test... for a 2nd time.
Friday, March 05, 2004
Thursday, March 04, 2004
Wednesday, March 03, 2004
Dancing in the stands after the Packers clinch the NFC North for the 2nd year in a row.
Tuesday, March 02, 2004
|25. Green Bay -- Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma. Don't believe the hype about the Packers picking a successor to Brett Favre here. Their defensive backfield has struggled mightily. Strait has the ability to shut down half the field.
Dennis Dodd - SportsLine.com Senior Writer
25. Green Bay Packers: J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane. At some point the Packers have to get their quarterback of the future. Brett Favre can't play forever. Losman is a big-armed passer who will take time to groom. If Favre plays two more years, Losman will be ready to take over after that.
Pete Prisco - SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Monday, March 01, 2004
|A Houston Texan, some guy from Illinois, and a Packer Fan are riding horses out on the range. The Texan, just to show off, pulls an expensive bottle of whiskey out of his saddlebag, takes a couple drinks, throws the bottle in the air, pulls out his gun and shoots it in mid-air. The guy from Illinois is shocked and asks, "What are you doing? That's a perfectly good bottle of whiskey!" The Texan replies, "In Texas, there's plenty of whiskey and bottles are cheap!"
Sent in to us by Leon... and Da' Bears Still Suck!