Thursday, July 31, 2008

Backstage At The ESPY's... 








Our friend and roving contributor, Radiochel, sends a few pics of Al Harris, Brett Favre and A.J. Hawk from backstage at the ESPY's a few weeks ago here in Los Angeles. As always, our deepest thanks to Radiochel for thinking of us here at Packer Palace. Click through and listen to her short interview with Al Harris.

Wednesday, July 30, 2008

This Is The Day... 

...your life will surely change, this is the day, when things fall into place.*

This is the Day!!!! BF is supposedly set to return to Green Bay and join the Packers at training camp... unless CEO Mark Murphy who has reportedly flown to Mississippi to convince BF not to join the team are true. Maybe, he's there to escort BF back to GB.

I'm still not caught up on the last few days of Packers news, but I did notice one thing that's starting to sift to the top. Usually, if a head coach says "I want that guy on my team" the general manager will try to comply with the request. Has Green Bay head coach Mike McCarthy requested from GM Ted Thompson to get BF on the roster. I'm starting to catch the feeling that it's MM who no longer wants BF on the team. TT is taking a lot of flack for the hardline stance he's taken on the whole situation, but if MM is not pushing for BF's return... then MM's skating by under the radar and all the fuss.

Training camp has been running for a few days, some players look good, some don't, not a big deal at this point of the year. The Packers O-Line should be much better, the Packers D-Line appears to be a weak spot. DT Johnny Jolly's off-season "cold-medicine" incident hasn't been determined, and the last year's incredibly disappointing number 1 pick DT Justin Harrell, still, still can't get on the field because of off-season surgery that might require more surgery and make a contribution. My off-hand guess, he'll be put on IR and miss the year.

RB Ryan Grant is in a tough spot, he deserves starting level compensation, but I don't know if I'm ready to put him up there on the pedestal with the rest of high-salary RB's in the league. He runs hard, I like his attitude, but again, we have a player who sits out most of the off-season activity, hasn't reported to training camp yet, but fully expects to come in and be the #1 running back on the team. He very well could be, but his skills and conditioning are regressing at much faster pace, the more he misses camp. It's a tough spot for him, and it won't be dealt with until the complex situation with BF is resolved.


BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

* 'This Is The Day' by Matt Johnson/The The - you can find the full lyrics here and his CD 'Hanky Panky' he covers a whole bunch of Hank Williams songs, a favorite of mine.
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$20 million??!? Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy, just Two Wild and Craaaaazy Guys!

Bobby O'Shea


Hey Bobby, very nice pic of 2 of GB's wild and crazy guys... so I re-used it here, and did you actually use TT's face or is that Steve Martin with MM? They have the same white hair and all...  BK
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Shit, Murphy goes to Mississippi to offer payola, this makes the Packers look very bad, like they believe money will solve everything. I think it has been established that Favre has all the money he needs, he wants to play. After this Packers move, my hard edges are softening. I think Ted should call a press conference this morning and announce, "After years of will he, won't he and Brett having difficulty making up his mind, myself and the Packers wanted to make doubly sure that Brett was committed by throwing all sorts of ridiculous scenarios at Brett, from being traded, to backing up to $20mm to stay away, after today we are throughly convinced that Brett wants to play and we welcome him back to compete for the starting QB position." Then Ted explains things to Aaron, we devleop Brohmn, cause unfortunately after that Rogers will sign elsewhere in 2009, and we move forward with camp and and the season. GO PACKERS!

Schrades



Hey Schrades, just when you think reconciliation is about to happen... another weird twist comes about instead.  BK
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Wow! Just read TT/Packers ('member, BK? They one/same.) offered Favre $$$ to stay at home...forever, except when it favors TT/Packers.

If, repeat IF, this is true (and how could it not be as I read it at packersnews.com), TT/Packers have shown how "business" has taken over in Green Bay.

If TT/Packers really believe Favre will take the money and mow, it is demonstrating how out of touch it is with what is Packerdom.

If it believes Favre is concerned about the money, I wonder what is it's idea of "Packer People".

Could this revelation be the reason for McCarthy's obvious distancing himself today from TT/Packer/Favre dispute? Mayhap MM, not Murphy, is one of the two, including Favre, that retains employment after this.

IF this bribery allegation is true, I cannot fathom anything but a mutiny in Packerdom.

BK, is this what you meant by uglier?

Go Pack!


Hey Go Pack, not quite what I meant, I hadn't anticipated the 20 million buyout over 10 years, this has reached "no holds barred" territory so I no longer know what to think.  BK
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Shane's All About You: nice song, though I'm not a fan of guitar-laden ballads. I especially like the dragging of the lyrics and chords of the verse into the chorus_sort of Willie Nelson-ish. The song itself could even evoke memories of some Beatles tunes.

However, I think Shane (He plays a mean, disjointed ((VERY Nelson-ish!)) trap set, by the way.) should further explore his rock-a-billy tendencies. I mean, c'mon, Charlene WAS a mean Holstein!

(Bud shrugs one suit-coated shoulder.)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Teeeee-Booooone. Where arrrrre you?

I look forward towards T-Bone's brand of hate. I've seen enough of the "civil" Packers' fan war on jsonline.com, scout.com, and packernet.com, et al. The latter makes me sick.

Go Pack!
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Could it all be B.S?! This could be hype with Favre just having a long vacation? the only conspiracy theory I hane is the MYTH gasoline will hit $4.50 a gallon by 2008! POSTED: 1998.

Big Ern said so!!!!!
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"I still can't believe the stupid Packers don't want Favre...are you kidding me? Really?"

Beautifully said BeerScout. That said, I am tired of being told I have to pick sides. I just want the Packers to win the damn SB. I will always have a warm spot in my heart for Brett and I will cheer Rodgers on if that is where things land.

lostinutah
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As a lifelong packer fan I'm befuddled about the BF situation.I would like a honest definitive answer on why they don't want him back.I heard the company line about they want to move forward. OK, so bring him back as the starting QB, he did get us to the NFC Championship game!RIGHT or WRONG. Who did he piss off,to get treated like he has the BLACK PLAGUE.Could it be his salary? ego trips with the front office? control of the team? If they bring him back to start they could still save face,if he gets hurt, A-Rod plays.BF starts and they have a losing season,front office says "I told you so".But if he brings you to the SUPER BOWL (I HOPE)the front office says"great decision to bring him back".They come up smelling like roses anyway. This is a NO BRAINER for the front office.If I don't know what i'm talking about, somebody please straighten me out. BF YOU ARE THE GREATEST!

ziggy k - bayonne, new jersey
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BK, Some of us fans who havent been able to see some of the camp have been wondering how the Defense is shaping up. How are the battles for DT and back up LB looking? And call me crazy, but am I the only one who thinks Rouse can cover more ground and recievers than Bigby? Thanks, you rock.

Leinie's is starting to make its way to the East Coast, it is now safe to visit.

brewsky in VB


Hey Brewsky, spend some time at these websites - Packers Insider Blog has daily camp news or Packer Net's WDUZ Radio replay page, I spend a lot of time listening to Chris Havel's (with either Harry Sydney or Johnny Gray) Sportsline Show while reading my Packer News for the day. Both are good sources and otherwise, just run through the top rows of links on our links page for even more Packers info.  BK
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We are big fans of your site... and we have a couple posts for your consideration.

1. Check out RotoHog's version of what might happen when Favre checks into camp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NppuamY6N0E

Wonder how awkward it will be when Brett Favre reports to Packers training camp? RotoHog sketches out one possible "Say Anything" scenario in which Brett, sporting a boom box and overcoat, pulls a Lloydd Dobbler and patiently and plaintively stands watch outside of Packers camp/headquarters playing "In Your Eyes" to Ted Thompson hoping to sway the Packers powers that be.

Check it out as it is pretty funny and timely. In a related post check out another possible solution to the situation ... Favre should make a mix tape

http://community.rotohog.com/columnists/brett-favre-mix-tape

Thanks for your time and consideration,

Shane - Rotohog
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I enjoyed the Charlie brown thing…now we need to flipper commercial with brett being the flipper…or a flip flop thing... ...great video...

Julia
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I thought you might find this interesting.

Packers should come back to their senses by retiring their fears

Interesting angle Beerkid. Although, I would have taken Brett back with a two year commitment from him rather than release him, but had TT released or taken Brett back as our starting QB from the get-go the organization would not be the current laughing stock of the NFL.

PACKER PAUL
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Many of you wanted this below. Tell me why Ted Thompson will not allow Favre to compete for the job. Isn't that what you wanted him to do is come in and compete. Does this guy have any choice but to retire or leave the team?
Struggling to blame all this nightmare on Favre.

The source confirmed Internet reports that Favre asked the Packers on Saturday whether he could come in and compete for his starting job with new quarterback Aaron Rodgers. However, Favre was rebuffed.

“I said, ?Let me compete, you know I’ll win this job,’ and Ted said again, ?Brett, things have changed. Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback,’” Favre told ESPN.com.

Live and Die with the Pack, CAMP
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ESPN NFL Insider and Favre confidant Chris Mortensen is reporting that Brett Favre airmailed his reinstatement papers to the league office late Monday afternoon. Unfortunately, they were immediately intercepted by Corey Webster. Video replays showed nearly 3,000 US Postal Service mail carriers were wide open on the play, yet Favre inexplicably heaved the papers directly at Webster.

In a rambling, 83-minute run-on sentence afterwards, Favre placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of Packers GM Ted Thompson. Favre stated quite clearly that Randy Moss would have gone up and gotten those papers, and that Thompson simply could no longer be trusted or believed any more.

Strangely, many national reporters failed to report on the Moss comments. This is likely due to the fact they nearly all of the reporters had fallen asleep, as they usually do during Favre's press conferences. It is widely assumed that these reporters will write their followup stories largely with quotes from the best-selling John Madden book of Brett Favre cliches, including the mandatory use of the phrases "having fun out there" and "love of the game."

Ruppert
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Who cares about training camp? Without Favre, it's going to be a long year. I can only imagine what the Queens are going to do to Rogers on MNF.

Tony
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WOW, Wonder if this is why Corey Williams got the TT Boy boot, Cant have any competition for Harrell in camp now can we. Funny it seems theres only competition if TT Boy didnt draft you... Packer Chatters - Lack of Competition for Rodgers Glaring

CHILWIL86
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Favre has faxed in his letter to the commissioner, the real sparks are going to fly now. Thursday is a day off for the team, and the day that Brett will undergo his physical, if he TT doesn't crap himself by then and shit a plan that "is best for the team". I just don't see how it will be repaired by season start ~ too many accusations and miscommunications for it all to be washed away and for the team to focus on football when we were so close last year. Can't we all just get along and get back the Lombardi trophy??? Will get thick and even more sticky real soon. Go Pack Go!

Kivi ~ Packer Fan

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TT/Packers is "holding out" and Favre is using the threat to report to camp as leverage.

Is this not an incredibly bizarre juxtaposition?

A GM/team is attempting to keep a player out of camp, preferably at home, forever. Crazy stuff.

Go Pack!
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You have all been duped. This BF thing was conjured up by Madison ave types to promote the upcoming NFL season, nothing more. Never underestimate what 31 fat white guys will do for a few extra pennies. Now that the camps have started look for real news to take over the airwaves.

Packer Jim
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No, what is happening is the nightmare scenario: an arrogant know-it-all that was promoted past his abilities to GM is eviscerating the team yet again by giving the bum's rush to another player that he didn't recruit. It is as if Ted Thompson is channelling Dan Devine. The next step will be trading two number one draft picks for a veteran QB (must be at least 35 years old) after the season starts.

Apparently when all is said and done, Gunslinger Brett will be bested by Pinchpenny Ted and the Green Bay Packers will be the worse for it.

Craig of the Really Frozen Tundra
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I still can't believe the stupid Packers don't want Favre...are you kidding me? Really?

And yes, Beerkid is Anti-Favre...even though he won't come clean and say it!...wow. I don't even know what would make me go Anti-Favre...waffling doesn't do it for me. Put him now. 13-3 is what I say...no seeds. Oh, by the way, Sativa is not immature...

BeerScout
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BeerKid, I agree with you. Packers, or retirement. Please all, take that high road, let Lombardi and Big Irv up in heaven work this all out and let's move on to the Super Bowl. Which is, I think something all of us can agree on.

lostinutah
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PACKERS FOR LIFE.BUT LET BRETT GO IF THEY DONT WANT HIME ANYMORE,LIFE IS MKIFE, LET BRETT PLAY WITH ANY TEAM, WE'LL ALWAYS BE A PACKER FAN, BUT ALSO WILL ROOT FOR BRETT WHERE EVER HE HIS..AMEN

BILLYBOY
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Oh and I feel for abouttime - I almost bought tickets to that game until I saw the unreal markup (not really surprising) for the #4 retirement - I would have loved to have been there and bawled like a baby at Brett's speech...but I couldn't swallow the price. Now I'm glad I'm cheap!

I want to go back to Green Bay, very much, but on a pricetag I can afford!

lostinutah
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Quoth Lombardi...

   If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm.

Sunday, July 27, 2008

Training Camp Is Here! 

Finally!!! Time for some football, the long offseason is over, too bad the turmoil is not. RB Ryan Grant, still hasn't signed his minimum offer from the Packers, his agent is frustrated with the long-term contract dealings. Big surprise, there were rookies to sign (only QB Brian Brohm to go) and the BF fiasco all going on at the same time. Their energy was re-directed elsewhere.

BF was ready to report to camp today... then comes an agreement between him and TT to wait a few days for things to settle down. Brett Favre needs to play for the Packers or he needs to retire. I don't like any other scenario what-so-ever. Everyone involved, TT, MM, & BF please take the high road and reconcile.

In regarding the "allegations of tampering" over BF from the Minnesota Vikqueens organization. You don't need 100% hold up in court proof to file tampering charges against another team... at the same time, if TT was just sending a "warning shot over the bow" at them, the NFL isn't going to send representatives to Minnesota to do follow-up in-person interviews with the 2 coaches involved, Childress and Bevell. BF may text/talk to these guys all the time, but on the same day, during the same week, that the Packers disgruntled veteran who is under contract requests his outright release... only the appearance of impropriety is required as proof. I want the Vikqueens to get burned, scorched and left as ashes on the ground being blown away by the wind over this.

BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

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somebody tell me this all is just a nightmare. I won't insult God by praying that Brett's arrival in GB will be a permanent one. Having said all this I totally support our GM, I believe he is headed towards being one of the all time greats. Anybody who saw pre season last year knows that as well as Brett played, AR likely played better, he was exceptional. Brett you in any other colors is not doable, full stop. Yeah I know MJ left the Bulls, Joe Montana left the Niners, but this is the GREEN BAY PACKERS, lets act like it dammit. Yeah I also know that Lambeau left too, and to the Chicago Cardinals if memory serves. I don't recall he stayed long and I wonder (hope) he regretted it. Yeah I know Vince left too, and it was a good year with the Skins prior to fatal illness. But Brett, trust me, staining your resume with a New York Jet or Tampa Bay Buccaneer would be a huge mistake. To the extent anyone would be a fit for your legend, I shudder to admit it is the Chicago Bears. And you above all would know that we would need not to just stop you, but hurt you. I would have had the same thoughts about Bart or Ray. Reggie gets a pass for having saved our ass, having been an Eagle for so long, and for so humbly acknowledging the Packer legend.

Brett I am literally begging you man, don't do it. My best hope prior to all of this was that you had been in contact with TT to let him know that you would be staying ready to the extent possible should AR have another injury. TT has been an excellent steward of the direction of the franchise, but if there is a mis step without Brett it will be a long fall as TT gets villified, I am telling u packer backers this guy knows what he is doing, but he is not God, time to give TT as much rope as he needs, show him respect, but above all, please, please, please stay here Brett. No other teams colors are worthy of covering you, we love you more than words can tell.

ray brettman
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Permission to speak to the J-E-T-S ... JETS..JETS...JETS?? C'mon TT, drop the trade crap and "move on" in 09!!! “Buck Rodgers” will still around for another year. Can you believe some shareholders actually gave TT a standing O? And then TT went M.I.A. for over an hour after the meeting before he put on some new "DEPENDS" and put it together and showed up to talk to those who remained at Lambeau who did not want to kick his sorry ass.

Training camp ought to be interesting. Good for Brett!!

Have a great VACA LLtP ... Hopefully Thompson will come to his senses and start Brett against the hated vi-queens September 8th and play it out like Brett was never forced into retirement and this was some bad dream by the time your back .

GO PACK GO and have a great weekend everyone!!!

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis,MN.
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Avoiding Mr. Favre for one day, let's focus instead on those "men" sporting purple clothes and pig tails.

Listening to Sirius NFL radio lately, I heard an interview with some reporter named Jensen, who is a beat writer for the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Mr. Jensen had a lovely argument that the 08 Vikings already reminded him of the Ravens' championship team. Part of his defense was that Trent Dilfer isn't in the top 150 QBs of all time, so that means they could do it with Tarvaris Jackson. Idiot.

Sirius also had a brief interview with Fat Williams, Vikings DT. They asked him what he thought about facing Aaron Rodgers in week 1. His response was something like "it will be his first start and his first loss." A little cocky, considering the Drag Queens haven't scored an offensive TD in Lambeau since 2005, isn't it?

Can we please just play some football?

Ruppert
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wow.... drink some more green and gold kool-aid dude! Get over yourself!

jonnyc


Yo jonnyc, If I had gotten over myself, I never would have help start Packer Palace 12 years ago...  BK
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RELAX MQN..... it's brett freakin favre. if he wants to play and the packers don't let him, screw em'!

favre country
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Don Majkowski Demands to be Reinstated as Packers Quarterback
    Former Green Bay Packers starting quarterback Don Majkowski has entered in a bitter dispute with his former organization, admitting he is “guilty of retiring too early” 12 years ago, while demanding he be reinstated as the team’s starter or given the opportunity to play elsewhere. “I was mentally drained after the 1996 season,” says Majkowski. “I couldn’t commit myself fully at that time to coming back, so I stepped away. That’s the kind of guy I am. I have to be able to promise that I’m going to give my all.” But before long, Majkowski started to have second thoughts. “I guess it was nine or 10 years later, I called up Packers GM Ted Thompson and told him I was thinking of coming back. That would have been 2005 or 2006, I guess,” said Majkowski. “But he just sighed and said it was too late. That the team had moved on to Brett Favre and had even drafted this Aaron Rodgers kid to follow in place of Favre. I couldn’t believe he wasn’t even open to considering my return after all I’ve done for the franchise.”

    Majkowski played six seasons in Green Bay from 1987 to 1992, earning the beloved nickname “Majik Man,” and leading the league in yards, completions and attempts in 1989, which earned him a Pro Bowl nod at age 25. He also was inducted into the team’s Hall of Fame. But despite all of that, not even two full decades after Majkowski left the team the Packers says they are committed to Rodgers. So the Majik Man felt he had to go public, share his side of the story and make his case to his dedicated fans in Green Bay. “Nothing against Aaron, I feel a little bit sorry for the position I have put him in,” says Majkowski, “I do. But I threw for 4,318 yards in 1989. That was only 19 years ago. Aaron has never accomplished anything like that at this level. This team can be something special and we need the veteran presence I can provide.” While the Packers insist they have no interest in brining Majkowski back, he says he may just show up at training camp later this month to call their “bluff.”

    “It’s going to be a circus there already as it is,” he said. “And if I show, do you really think they won’t hand the team back over to me? I am Don freaking Majkowski. There wasn’t a girl in all of Northern Wisconsin who wouldn’t remove her tight-rolled jeans for me back in the late ?80s. I don’t think they can afford the negative fan reaction that would come from dumping me,” he added, pointing to fan protest outside Lambeau Field on Sunday that boasted numbers in the single digits, including his immediate family. And if showing up at Packers camp doesn’t work, Majkowski says he will show up at the camps of the other 31 NFL teams to call their “bluffs,” too. “None of them say they want me back either,” he said. “Well, I am very persistent. I will cause a circus at camp after camp until someone gives me a shot.”
Majik Forever


Hey Majik, training camp is open to everyone... come on in and compete for a job, if not Tampa Bay is always looking for a retired QB to obtain the rights to.  BK
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Noted BK, though I thought the actual "timeline" was Jet's get permission first then today - Favre to appear at camp??

Regardless, I'm not that naive to think all is well in Packerland because of this latest development. As of 4:43 PST, the league has yet to receive that reinstatement fax from Favre/Bus Cook. Also, for all we know this could indeed be water under the bridge as a trade both parties agree to might be a signature away and all this latest talk is just the dog and pony show.

As I stated on my blog (Passion = Truth), I'll more certainly be convinced of the Packers' and Brett's intentions when that Monday Night games rolls around against the Vikes. Let it be known I have been and will continue to be in the "Favre" camp on this entire debacle (not saying Brett's without some fault), but nothing, as we all know, is for sure until game day.

Jeff Ircink
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Don't forget about how much we "fans" paid for tickets to the 2008 opener only to be screwed...

I bought 6 tickets to the season opener, packers v vikings, monday night game, to witness history. The end of the Brett Farve era, the beginning of the "new" Packers with A. Rodgers at the helm. Bristol overtaking Lambeau to celebrate the legacy of a legend coming to an end, broadcasting a sure fire ratings winner. Bitter rivals clashing, both looking good on paper, untested despite high expectations -- Super Bowl or BUST.

And there's me, and thousands like me (many of YOU). A fan who was willing to pay a premium to obtain tickets to be a part of this spectacle. A HUGE premium (even MORE than what I paid for playoff tickets last year - same seats). Then came the news from Lambeau (thank you Mr. Murphy), that the event has been put on-hold until further notice. On the heals of this announcement, my tickets arrived promptly (today), as if on cue. I'm sure the ticket broker was shaking in his (new/pricey) boots wondering if we gouged ticket buyers would cancel orders, and so shipping tickets became top priority -- once tickets are in hand, a "no-refund" policy kicks in. I also received news from four of my friends that "they can't go" now, and have basically bailed on me, leaving me with four over-priced tickets that i'm sure i'll take a HUGE loss on. Nice.

Thanks Brett. Just another reason why you are no longer wanted back in Green Bay. Please just go fade away. I'm as bitter about the ticket situation as I am about the circus that Favre has carried out for years, his own creation. I said after the championship game interception loss that I WOULD NEVER GO TO ANOTHER GAME AS LONG AS FAVRE WAS QUARTERBACK (I was at that game). I stand by my words. Good riddance.

I hope you can write something on this "layer" of the whole fiasco.

about time


Hey about time, that's a tough call, I believe the Packers only hurried the retirement ceremony to help boost sky-high the emotional fervor of the Packers to get an opening night win over the Vikqueens. You might just have to go to the game and have a great time and root for the expected Packers win over a hated rival, it will become a fond memory no matter who the QB is.  BK
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OK, BK, when is the last time you found a seed in your Ganja? Brett Favre is Football Sativa... QB Cali Weed with NO SEEDS. Meaning, he's played for 16 years with no injury! No Injuries! I just hope Mr. "We've Moved On" Mike/Ted has a good connection baby!!! Rookie Volcano Vaporize Packers! A fervent fan of 1996 CA Proposition 215.

BeerScout - Favre is Sativa!


Hey BS, sure BF is sativa, immature and still growing... the rest of us are trying to figure out after a summer off, if BF is an aged fine wine or a skunky aged old beer. Preferably, he would be a fine tastin' 100 year old Bourbon that delivered.  BK
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Quoth Lombardi...

   There's only one way to succeed in anything, and that is to give it everything. I do, and I demand that my players do.

Wednesday, July 23, 2008

Thank You Roger Goodell... Please STFU!!! 

Oh thank you so much NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell... you just trashed the Packers trade position (if it ever comes to it) with Brett Favre by announcing that the Packers needed to "accelerate and resolve" their differences with Brett Favre. Why do they need to accelerate? You're an major league Ass for stating so. Brett Favre is under contract to the GB Packers. I missed your comment on the Jason Taylor/Dolphins issue, that resolved itself favorably with a trade to the Redskins. I missed your comment on the previously ugliest NFL feud the Chad Johnson/Bengals issue, that resolved itself with Chad coming into camp and wanting to play. Michael Strahan/Giants? I missed your comment on acceleration... The list of disgruntled veterans having trouble with reporting to training camp is long. Why are you commenting on the Brett Favre situation at all?

First off, please comment on did BF trigger the retirement clause requirement by tearfully announcing that he was done with the NFL, which ties directly to whether or not did the Packers act correctly in filing his retirement status 50 days later. Second, comment on has BF asked to be re-instated with the league. Otherwise, the Packers don't have to do anything except let BF report and put him on the roster.

So Commissioner, Sir, please shut the hell up and at least allow the Packers the chance to reconcile his status with the Packers or trade BF with full value to a team that suffers a training camp injury to their starting QB before you go yapping about how the Packers are handling things with their disgruntled veteran. The start of the season is a long way off and the Packers don't have to accelerate anything.

Last off... if Brett Favre and his agent Bus Cook are talking to other teams in the NFL without the Packers blessing... you have to enforce the tampering rules. Brett Favre is currently a Green Bay Packer, any team trying to alter that status is violating a whole lot of league rules. We know they are amateurs in Minnesota, but tampering is tampering. So quit worrying about Brett's status with the Packers, and start enforcing rules on teams that are trying to change it.


BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

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I can't freakinCheeseBelieve the Packers don't want flip floppy Favre back... it's killing me. Didn't they want Culpepper at one point?... yeeeouch!

Beerscout
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Breaking News! Brett is reporting to Green Bay training camp! Check your local news and internet. Now the end-all, be all but a step in the RIGHT direction.

Jeff I


Hey Jeff, Oh it's breaking news alright... and then 5 minutes later he gets permission to talk with the NY Jets. 1 step forward, 1 step back it seems...  BK
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First:
    FAVRE WILL SHOW UP FOR CAMP
    Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2008, 11:26 a.m. EDT
    Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Packers quarterback Brett Favre plans to show up for training camp. In order to do so, he’ll first have to apply for reinstatement, via a letter that could be sent to Commissioner Roger Goodell as soon as Friday.

    Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported earlier in the week that Goodell has advised the Packers that he will reinstate Favre upon request. more on Favre at PFT
Second: Favre's cell phone is apparently not issued by the Packers, but most of the players have their phones through a group plans set up by the team. as such--the Packers as plan administrators DO have access to the phone records--so there may well be damning evidence after all. However If I were a player--I'd find my own plan................

Coach Carl
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Love the website. Jib Jab has nothing on you guys!!!!

During the forgettable era of Harlan Huckleby, Lynn Dickey, Ezra Johnson, etc. our local news station (WTMJ - Milwaukee) used to have Packer Highlights that were put to music. These weekly dittys were really corny and used bad rhymes, "Kids from Wisconsin" like singing and were really bad.

I was wondering if you have ever heard of who produced these segments or know where I might download these cheesy bits of Packer history?

Tom S - GO PACK!!!
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BK, OMG!!! I'm listening to the Greta Van Susteren interview... It sounds EXACTLY like Frank Caliendo doing John Madden doing Greta Van Susteren!!! She says "Brett Favre this", and "Brett Favre that", I think it hilarious! She's a cool Pack Fan!!!

Boz
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BK, You and Me and Leroy agree. Seems the bottom line may be JUST as Campen reportedly told Favre. And yes, uglierer even.

Bob McGuinn reported cell phone records were part of Packers' case of tampering. I can't read it: do you know how he cited source?

Now Pete Dougherty, GB Press Gazette writes:
    "Contrary to several well publicized media reports, two sources — one in the NFL, another close to Favre — said Favre does not have a cell phone issued by the Packers. "One-hundred percent, without a doubt, no Packers-issued phone," said the source close to Favre."
If there are no Packer phone records,
  1. Who was McGuinn's source and what were source's intentions?
  2. Why didn't TT or Favre say so immediately? Barred from discussing investigation?
  3. Why wait so long to have surrogates deny it?
  4. Who would gain from such mis/disinformation?
I'm willing to suspect McGuinn as willing dupe, which would make this a shot from the Packer side. If so, I guess we'll see what Favre has in mind as a retort. Could be this is what makes him willing to return just to "stick it to them"?

Uglierer? I was wrong. It might get Sandra Bernhard-10 Foot Pole hybrid ugly. WTF? (Watch The Fritos, right?)

Go Pack!
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS, AND GO PACKERS, AND BRETT, WHERE EVER YA PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!

BILLYBOY
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Can we just play some damn football?!

Big Ern said so!!!!
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Too much time on my hands BeerKid!!! Leaving tomorrow to go sit on a sandbar in the Mississippi River, camp, fish, drink beer and swat mosquitos for nine days....... I probably won't hear a lick of Packer news the whole time. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long Live the Pack!!!
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If you have the time, go over to Packer Net's WDUZ replay of Sportsline 7/23 show. Chris Havel and Johnny Gray have Greta Van Susteren on during the last part (3/4 mark) of the show. On TV in the BF interview, I didn't think she came across well, on this radio show, she may be more of a hardcore Packers fan than I am.

BeerKid - Always Pack For Life!
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Hey BeerKid.................. Who ever is going to be bidding for Favre might want to get the planning done for Favre's personal shower room. They won't have much time to get it built before the season starts and hopefully they have the space in their locker room for it.

As for TT acquiring the players BF wanted, I imagine there's hundreds of players wishing their GM had gotten so and so, every year. Marino does I'm sure. Some like the Lions just wish they didn't have a GM. "Po Poor Me" Favre didn't get the players he needed this year along with 30 other teams every year. Don't everyone forget, three years ago Poor Me Favre looked washed up, sure hope his new coach will stand up to him, but it appears Poor Me is in tight w/Goodell now, so if he were to throw 25 INT's, Goodell will have them reassigned to other QB's to get his numbers down. You know since Goodell wants this wrapped up by Sunday, some team should be able to pick Poor Me Favre up for a 3rd rounder and then trade to him to the Vikes for a second and make out good on the deal. I think I have an autographed pic of Favre for sale.

Long Live the Pack!!!
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BREAKING NEWS BEERKID!!! This just reported from The Green Bay Press Gazette. Green Bay Packer's president, Mark Murphy, announces the release of GM Ted Thompson today. Asked why he released Ted Thompson, Murphy states "Isn't it obvious". Murphy announces his replacement as Brett Favre. Favre will hold the duties of QB and GM for the Packers. Favre states: "I don't want all that work, I just want the players I want." In other news, the 30 QB's from all other NFL teams apply for their GM's position with them stating "we don't believe our GM's did a good enough job getting players for our Super Bowl chances either and we'd like to have the opportunity to pick the players we want also. The lone QB not to apply was Eli Manning of the New York Giants. Murphy thanks Ted Thompson for his work with the organization and wishes him well in his future.

Long Live the Pack!!!


Hey Long Live the Pack, you're on a tear this morning...  BK
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Oooh. So that's what STFU means. I thought it meant Shiny Toes From Uganda. Man. No wonder the chicks in the chat room stopped talking to me.

Go Pack!


Hey Go Pack, after considering this deeper, I think the Commish's shot-across-the-bow statement was directed at agent Bus Cook and the BF will sign his paperwork the week before the regular season comment, I believe that the Packers can take up to 6 weeks before accepting his un-retirement. In other words, it can get uglier... a lot of words have been said, but I'll go with what former Packers Leroy Butler and his "want your old job back Brett, report and by the 3rd practice you'll have it" comment. I'll go with it because it sounds like its the bottom line truth in this matter.  BK
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Kid, Your right, drag this BF thing on through training camp. It's all good. This has been and will continue to be good PR for the team and the NFL. We should have moved beyond this nightmare before it was even public. I am sure in the bizzarro world of Ted this has been good for everyone. As much respect as you have lost with Favre, I have lost with Ted. What is to be gained at this point an additional 5th round pick that Ted will trade down to two 7ths. Trade or release him and get this done.

CAMP


Hey Camp, BF was the starting QB of the Green Bay Packers right up until the week before the draft in April when he still didn't want to return, so the Packers placed him on the retired list. All I will say is that the BF announced last year right before the Super Bowl that he was returning, he participates in all the off-season camps, Packers go on a tear and finish 14-4. This year, he actual retires, wavers, stays retired and up until today, still isn't committed to returning and playing football this season for any team. I know, I know, it's all TT and MM's fault because BF is the greatest thing to walk the planet since Lombardi and they didn't show the proper amount of genuflection to him this off-season, but if BF was interested in reaching the Super Bowl with a playoff competitive team, umm, he's on one. I can't imagine how the Vikqueens are a better team, or the Bucc's, or the Panthers... The Jets??? I don't know... I'm not sure how BF can just George Constanza'it by quitting, and then showing up months later like nothing has happened and expect to still be the starting QB of the Green Bay Packers.  BK
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BK, after reading what you wrote about Favre's local charity work and other comments, I'm wondering now if it's just a simple fact that Favre will not play for Green Bay anymore, period. Maybe his is THAT torked off at Thompson due to Moss, Mariucci, Marco and Mike Wahle, etc. I think that's a possibility, and now Favre might be doing anything he can so he gets released... like slamming the team through that stupid interview and not filing his return paperwork.

The longer this goes, the more I'm thinking it would just be best to cut him...as soon as he files that paperwork. Minnesota would screw it up, anyway.

You're dead on the money about Goodell, too.

Ruppert


Hey Ruppert, I've been over at WDUZ Sportsline radio replay page at Packernet.Com listening to . So the comment on the BF charity work came from Chris Havel and the transcript of BF Retirement Press Conference. It was easily overlooked, but certainly sounded final. Wheels within wheels, plans within plans, BF may have wanted to be out of GB for years.  BK
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BeerKid, I think you are 100% right!!!!!! Favre didn't want to play for the Packers so he retired. Only problem is is that he didn't really want to retire. Looks like he found another way around the problem and your point on Goodell is excellent also. The Packers should file tampering charges on him also!!!!!!!!! If he doesn't help in all disputes, he shouldn't help in any. He's bordering on the fringe of discrimination picking who and who-not he'll help out. Brady lost both of his starting receivers two years ago and although he wasn't happy about it, he didn't take his ball and leave like a little poor sport. This whole problem is pretty basic really and was started by Favre. He started the ball rolling in finding and grooming his replacement when he started talking retirement. They went and found him and now he's ready to play. And I'm a little befuddled also BeerKid. Since when did teams start the practice of trading retired players??? Shouldn't he have to reinstate himself first, before the ball is in the Packers court??? Funny how convenient is is for him not to want to show up at camp and cause a big distraction......... since he's already caused one hell of a commotion!!!!!!!! You know....... he should have just kept his fucking mouth shut til he knew for sure he was getting a couple three years away from retirement. Maybe he's starting to feed off all the drama every year?? I personally want to see the Packers give him his starting job back!!!! He's still a fine QB. If he doesn't take it, then he's out of options. Then we won't have to see him in another jersey and everyone can enjoy watching him for another year or two. He can also stick it to TT next year by retiring and making the Packers stick the Brohm kid out there before he's ready and enjoy watching the Pack have a couple bad years while Brohm gets some game experience.

Long Live the Pack!!!

P.S. I'm still not sure that A-Rod is not the better QB..... It's funny how he put three plus years in, camp-in and camp-out learning everything, and when he goes in against Dallas and shows what he's learned, everyone just wants to throw away what he did as if he was just lucky that day. Maybe that's exactly how he looks in practice too???


Hey LLtP, is Brett, after taking the summer off, separating himself from the team and it's practices, still in shape to be the starting QB. Almost every year in my recent memory, he has pretty much cruised through the pre-season without getting enough rep's to actually be sharp on opening weekend. Obviously this year, it's going to be different no matter which team he's on.  BK
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Quoth Lombardi...

   Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.

Spew Off Speak Out... 

We could have drafted him in 1992, but no, then when we actually have him on our team in 1998, we don't replace our lame starting QB with him! BeerScout is now officially on the Klingler bandwagon!

I wonder if he's still available?


BeerScout
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Is it true that Farve's steakhouse is now Farve's waffle house????

dfarmer


Hey dfarmer, according to Pro Football Talk, yes it's true...  BK
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TT as Lucy....I'm still chuckling! Vince rules....so does Vince (http://www.vinceguaraldi.com)!

Go Pack!


Hey Go Pack, it's one of those classic piano tunes that's been stuck in every kid's head for decades... Thank you Vince Guaraldi.  BK
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Hey BeerKid.......... Here's a scenerio. Let's say the Packers decide to put both of their QB's (Favre and Rodgers) up for auction to the highest bidder in draft picks and then trade the one who brings the most......... Who do you think that would be???

Funny thing, some teams don't have one decent starter and the Packers are blessed with two!!!

Long Live the Pack!!!
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Oh Yeah BeerKid............. I should add to the previous, that that'd require Favre to commit to 3 more years so they can get Brohm groomed to replace him then. I'd imagine teams would anty up more for a possible 10-15 year player than a two to three year one. But the Favre fans would be happy and the Packers would have extra picks to possibly land a stud in the next draft. I think we'd be fine with either QB. What hurt was Jolly's legal troubles, he'll be harder to replace from our roster.

Long Live the Pack!!!


Hey LLtP, I think more teams would be interested in AR, although every team would want Brett if they had to give up almost nothing. Brett can't commit to this year, how are you going to get him to commit for 3 more? The more I wrap my head around this saga, the more I'm convinced that for whatever reasons, Brett wants to play this year, but not for the Packers. Go back to his retirement press conference and his comments about his local charity work. He said it was over, done. That sounds like going to another team, not going into retirement. At the end of March, the Packers after talking with BF, start planning his come-back, BF backs out 2 days before. Packers put BF on the reserved/retired list at the end of April, 1 week before the NFL Draft. Now comes June... BF is talking with good buddy Darrell Bevell (coach on the Vikqueens), his buddy who he talks to all the time (yeah, right) and BF submits a request to be released by the Packers. Packers file tampering charges against the Vikes. BF goes on CNN and airs some dirty laundry, Packers air some dirty laundry. BF's agent says BF has until the 6th game to file for re-instatement. Now the NFL Commish wants the Packers to resolve their problems with BF, and I'm wondering when the hell has BF filed for re-instatement? It goes on and on and on...  BK
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Sincerely BK, I am just a puddle with this Favre/Packer stuff. I was just in PackerPalace and read the posts. Brett won't win, nor will the TT office. its a blight on all of us, and the media keeps it going. There is rally's ev ery Sunday at Lambeau for Brett and FIRE TED THOMPSON. What a mess .

I think Brett has been our gunslinger, love him or not, for 16 yrs? WooooooooHoooo! Its been a great ride. No matter his undecisiveness in the last 4? Every team in the NFL wants them to release Farve and they would take him in a minute. We were the Giant game away last year. And the office ? wants Arod. Like I said............. what a freaking mess for the best QB alive in the NFL, and for our beloved Packers.


I will never turn my back on Brett. Nor the GB Packers. Its a diirty rotten shame it had to go this way. NO one looks good thru this, and its the first blight in Titletown that I remember, and I AM OLD !... Could you play a game the night after your dad just died? I lost mine, I was a puddle. Good thing I am only a girl and not an NFL Quarterback.. Please take a backseat like I am, confused. Let the Brett Farve wagoners do their thing.... Let the Rodgers fans do it too. I am OK with that.

Just don't take a PackerPalace stand against Favre? Thats all I am asking. He made us have fun for so many years. And? I am predicting a looooooooooong dry spell. Oh well, been there, done that! Hugs to you BK. I think you will understand me.

Lemondrop
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An Onion article from awhile back has become quite pertinent... Packers Tell Fans They Gave Favre To A Nice Farm Family

JJ -- CO


Hey JJ, thanks for reminding us of this Onion Sports classic.  BK
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OK ENOUGH ALREADY, TRAINING CAMP HAS NOT EVEN STARTED YET... RODGERS HAS NOT DONE A THING YET... SO LET FAVRE HAVE HIS JOB BACK ALREADY!! WHY NOT? CUZ TED THOMPSON IS A PIECE OF SH--!!IT'S NOT THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON FOR PETES SAKE, LET HIM HAVE HIS JOB BACK, NO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!AND LET WILLIAM HENDERSON JOIN HIM!!!

LOUD LAURA PACKER 4 FAN
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Funny how TT's refusal to back down affects seemingly every bit of Packer news. When I read the following, in a packers.com release regarding Marco Rivera, I immediately wondered if it was a veiled reference to the Favre situation.

"To retire as a Packer in my book is the greatest thing you can say as a football player in the NFL," said Rivera. "It's an honor and a privilege to retire and become a member of the Packers alumni with all the great players I played with and those that came before me."

Not saying it WAS a reference to the present "issue", but that that was the first thing to cross my mind when I read the release.

As well, every time I hear TT say something, I'll be wondering what his exact meaning is; what openings he's left himself; if I'm to consider what the meaning of is is. It really is sad, but it's what's on the plate before me.

Where is T-Bone? Have I missed his opinion? Teeeeee,-Boooonnne! Hep us, please.

Go Pack!


Hey Go Pack, yes, where is our beloved Lions fan T-Bone, we Packer fans are desperate for some comic relief...  BK
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This one is for LLtP ... and those who are tired of this Green and Gold soap opera.

I say “Give Brett his bottle” and yes, LET HIM PLAY!

“TT can you hear me?” (Ala Yentl) …

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.


Hey Packer Paul, it may come down to just that, allow BF to return as the starting QB no questions asked... I don't know, I've changed my mind about a hundred Ba-Zillion times over the last week. No easy answer... thanks for emailing in the image of Baby Brett.  BK
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I was in the room with BeerScout, (Klingler better bet over Favre) and I'm not actually sure if he was being serious or dripping with sarcasm... you see, there was beer involved.

BeerKid
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Quoth Lombardi...

   Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing - the result!

Saturday, July 19, 2008

Packers Trade For Brett Favre... 


Ironwood Daily Globe
Feb 12, 1992


Stars and Stripes
Feb 13, 1992


Atchison Globe, KS
Dec 28, 1990


Aiken Standard, SC
Feb 16, 1992

Roethlisberger Channels BeerScout... 




Steelers QB makes vacuous statement that was not affected by the Blitz.


Beerscout

Friday, July 18, 2008

Backstage With Al Harris... 

Life time cheesehead Radiochel checks in with her interview with Al Harris backstage at the taping of the ESPY's Wednesday night. Nothing serious, and nothing revealing on the Packers plans for this season, but a 90 second interview with the current CB of the Green Bay Packers by one of our friends.

Al Harris - Backstage with Radiochel

A big thanks to Radiochel for again thinking of us here at Packer Palace, and I'm pretty sure she wanted me to edit out a few things, but as everyone already knows, there are no editors on the payroll here at Packer Palace.

Back in August of 2006, Radiochel was kind enough to allow us her 2 Questions for Joe on Brett interview, so we appreciate being thought of. This week, we tip our beers to Radiochel, cheers!

BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

Brett And Ted's Excellent Adventure... 



Bumped up...

Speak Out Spew Off... 

I don't require BF to come back groveling on the ground and showering us all with money and chocolate cheese. I don't require him to publicly apologize to TT or MM, but I do require BF to actually decide if he wants to play by filing his re-instatement with the NFL Commish.

Think of where all of our rantings and ravings would have shifted today, if back on June 20th BF would have had this conversation with his coach:
    BF:  I'm coming back.
    MM:  WTF! Why now?
    BF:  Who cares, I'm coming back and I intend to be the starting QB, the Commish already knows. Tell TT.
    MM:  We've moved on. TT won't like this.
    BF:  So. I still have 2 years left on my contract. My talent and leadership will force you to play me.
    MM:  ....
    BF:  See you tomorrow. Don't forget to tell TT. I hear he's on vacation.
Brett is supposed to be stubborn, supposed to want his way, a linebacker playing QB, he's supposed to already be the HOF QB of the Green Bay Packers, yet instead of the taking a more simpler direct route back to his old job, we fans get the continuing "4-Ring Off-Season Circus" that have left us this time with serious doubt's about his competitiveness and leadership.

There's many of us who do not want to side with TT over BF in their personal spat, and there are many of us who think that BF is still the better QB over A-Rog, and there are many more of us who can't quite figure out how BF can take the summer off from the team and players, and yet somehow come in and pick up where he left off last year. The year where he announced his return in January, and spent the whole summer with the team. The resulting 13-3 was no coincidence.

BF could have been showing us all off-season long why he still can be a top-5 QB in the league on the field, but he's also showing us something new this off-season, he's become a top-5 whiner off the field.

BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

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This is just beautiful. This is copied from the AP story today about Mark Murphy expressing full confidence in Thompson and McCarthy, regarding the Packers' tampering complaint against the Drag Queens:

"A person familiar with the Packers' complaint told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Packers officials have expressed a belief that interest from the Vikings is the main reason Favre suddenly is considering a return to the NFL. The person requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation."

Of course, this is all speculation, but can't you just see Zygi talking to Childress and/or Bevell? "Guys, Tarvaris is totally useless. I'll give Favre $25 million for one more year...just give him a call on the side...see if he can get the Packers to cut him, real quiet like..."

It would explain why Brett all of a sudden started acting like a complete and total idiot.

Ruppert
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I will be as broken a record as some of you are. Release Favre. If he is a whiner, washed up, not in shape, hasn't practiced with the team, let him be the burden of another team. Just get this over and close this circus tent. Thompson can solve this situation with one stroke of his pen. He doesn't, why not????? Ted's Ego gets larger every day. End this nightmare!!

CAMP
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Lets let Ted know what we really think. www.favregate08.com

Packer Backer
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**** warning - satire alert! (I hope) BK *****

July 24th, 2008 - In tonights news... Green Bay Packers General Manager Ted Thompson was allegedly assaulted by shareholders in an emergency meeting to discuss the fate of former quarterback Brett Favre. Reports indicate, that Mr. Thompson was chased into the parking lot where the assailants repeatedly hurled footballs at him until he fell to the ground. Mr. Thompson is in stable condition at the Aurora BayCare Medical center receiving treatment for a his injuries. Doctors treating him said "he had severe hemorrhaging and would have easily would have suffered brain damage, had he had a brain. He's very lucky and we expect a quick recovery". Stay tuned, we'll have more information on live at 10 news.

7-9 under Candy Ankles
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TT as Lucy! Great cartoon, BK. Also, yes, Harris and Woodson came in for the offseason... this year.

So Favre thinks, I've got insider access to Mariucci, who, though he's said publicly he doesn't want to coach now, has told me the GB job is a dream. I'm gonna let Ted know. Ted says, But Mooch said he doesn't want to coach now. Oh, you just talked to him and he says he's interested? Ok. I'll ring him.

Obviously, TT had no intention to interview Mariucci, but didn't have the balls to tell that to Favre, rather leaving him thinking Steve would get a call, which he did....after McCarthy's hiring.

After the AP ran with a headline proclaiming TT will have Favre back only as a 2nd-stringer, TT quickly pointed out that's NOT what he said, though that was the impression one was left believing. TT seems to carefully choose his words and thus they deserve close scrutiny.

What Campen reportedly told Brett, that if pushed, TT would take him back as the starter, seems to be likely. Perhaps that is why Favre has yet to take the step he needs to if he wants to play. Maybe he doesn't really want to "stick it" to them and is waiting for a trade to be agreed upon before filing for reinstatement.

Ah, for the days of the occasional idiot FIB or Mud Duck wandering into the Palace and proudly displaying their stupidity.

Go Pack!


Hey Go Pack, TT as Lucy, Brett as the hapless but determined Charlie, and MM plunking away in the background. Shows you what happens when BeerScout and I start drinking Chimay heavily in the afternoon... Re-hashed creativity with some of our previous work strikes again!!! The moment called out for it.  BK
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"As the Cheese Turns"!!!

Look let me be The first to say BF is the BEST QB of all times, with maybe one exception being John Unitas (He called his own plays). But BF is wrong on this one, He "Stated" he was retired, The Team moved on and Drafted not one but 2 QB's in the draft. Ted Thompson is doing what he gets paid to do and thats is making the tough decisions. Most if not all the decisions he has made since taking over the team have improved the team unlike Sherman who continually set the team back with disastrous drafts and personnel decisions. Lets not forget one important fact that will seal BF fate with the Packers and why you will never see him wear a Packer uniform again, and that is 12 million dollars. The executive committee called for an emergency meeting regarding BF and I am sure they will discuss the 12 million at stake and BF's retirement ceremony at Lambeau. BF's trade value remains high. Here are a few scenarios that I believe will happen in the 2-3 weeks.
  1. BF traded to Tampa Bay for a 2nd and 3rd round conditional pick and maybe a player.
  2. BF traded to Baltimore for 1st and 2nd round pick.
  3. BF traded back to Atlanta for 1st round pick
  4. BF traded to Miami for Jason Taylor
  5. BF released.
I don't think that last option will happen as Ted Thompson wants to insulate himself from the possibility of BF playing in the same Division. The Packers are a good team and A-Rog will be fine, I think he will actually have a great year. And yes Brohm will be a Quality back up if not Future Starter. Finally, Brett has without question amazed us as one of the Greatest Packers of all time we all enjoyed watching his antics on the field but he did sign a contract and the PACKERS will persevere through this sad saga. See you at the Shareholders meetings on 7-24-2008

Go pack Go!!!!!!

PACKMAN

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Put the dang little kid in and let history happen already. Be done with it! Let's move on!!!

Dallas
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This article sums it all up. Hey Ted, I'm here to help By Jason Whitlock.

7-9 Packers under Rodgers


Hey 7-9, yes it's a really great article. Everyone should read it.  BK
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    "No No NO! You Can't Leave... HOF QB's don't act this way... Why are you giving him a pass? BK"
I'm giving him a pass because he gives us the best chance to win in 2008. This is a battle of egos, not common football business sense. Both TT and BF are emotional people. TT is clearly letting his own ego get in the way of what will give us the best chance to repeat the 13-3 season again. We're not a rebuilding team. Aaron "Candy Ankles" Rodgers has proved nothing, except for his lack of durability (he's another Tim Couch), and we don't know what the chemistry is going to be. Even since when does a GM start a guy who's never started a game OVER a guy who just last year got votes for MVP. That's just plan stupid!!!! This whole mess never have happened if TT would have done the smart thing to begin with. This never would have turned into a battle of TT vs. BF.

Favre isn't saying you have to take me back. He's saying, either take me back as a starting QB or release me. To me, that's totally fair, given TT's insult of saying he can come back as a backup. If he was fair to Favre, he would have said he can come back and we'll let the QB compete for the position. But TT has already made up his mind who the starting QB should be (Isn't that supposed to be the job of the Coach?) Seriously, If you were Favre, you wouldn't accept the backup position either. Especially knowing that you really have no change of earning your spot back. There's no way TT would do that, because he won't concede that he was wrong. He's too damn proud. Other GMs deal with real problem players. Favre just wants to play, is that such a crime!

7-9 Packers under Rodgers
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Quoth Lombardi...

   Mental toughness is many things and rather difficult to explain. Its qualities are sacrifice and self-denial. Also, most importantly, it is combined with a perfectly disciplined will that refuses to give in. It's a state of mind, you could call it character in action.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Brett, Are You Off Your Medication? 

Where does one start on this... Was that really Brett Favre talking to Greta Van Sustern last night? Where was that QB that has led the Packers through some great games and competitive moments over the last 17 years. That wasn't him. That was some whiny immature person that I've never seen before. So Brett, what happened? You stop taking your meds? Did you have a tractor accident where you banged your head this offseason. Post-career concussion syndrome? Bi-Polar? Too much estrogen? Please explain... I'm expecting you to break down and start crying again in the 2nd half of the interview. Like a little girl would...

The whole it would have been "great" to take the summer off and not work out with the team until the start of training camp in July. Uhhh, WTF!!! How would that have been "great" for the team. Oh, it wouldn't... I get it. Now we're at that point, and you're still not committed to returning, well, great! When will you make up your mind?

All this crap from our "hopefully" former prima donna QB now makes our new QB Aaron Rodgers "shut up or get on board" statement come across as the mature statement of the Packers off-season. Brett, buddy, I thought it would take over a hundred years for me to get over you... it took 2 weeks of you being something less than a man to accomplish the near-impossible. You have alienated this fan's love for you beyond repair. Go back to your first love, driving your tractor around aimlessly, because based on what I've seen, that must be where your head is actually at.

UPDATE: Fine, fine, fine, bang away at my head all you want, I have been forced into TT's camp because of the immature actions of BF. I have spent a lot of time reading through the different Packers forums, and everyone is re-hashing all the same points. But I do have one thing I'll add, it's fairly obvious that Brett misses his dad. Irv Favre was most likely the only one is his inner circle of family and friends that would be able to look his son in the eyes and say "Quit being such a dumbfuqq about all this, show up and compete for your job or sit down and shut up." Second to last thing... there's alot of talk from BF fanboy's that he is not actually retired 'cuz he didn't turn in any paperwork. Wrong, if you have to submit in writing to the NFL Commissioner that you want to be re-instated, your retired. Besides, there a many players who never, ever, turn in any paperwork to confirm they are retired. Last thing... I would have respected BF much more if he had bothered to show up for the mandatory OTA's, as a leader of the team should have. Notice that Al Harris and Charles Woodson did this year...

BeerKid - Still Pack For Life!

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As the Cheese Curds...

OK, like I said before BeerKid and disagree on this one. And I know there are many more dissenters out there, but I'd put Brett in as starting QB without even blinking... period. I do feel bad for Aaron Rodgers though as he's done nothing....er, wrong.

Beerscout
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I may end up being wrong on this prediction but I think Brohm will be your QB of the future. He may not be another Favre but I see him having a great NFL career. As for the Favre drama, I still believe TT is handling this as well as he can. Maybe TT did something to BF that hasn't been discussed in public. But BF needs to understand that GB can't be held hostage by his constant indecision. I hope he just stays in Mississippi because you know that if he comes back as the backup, Rodgers would likely (and unfortunately) suffer a major injury and then it would be Favre mania all over again.

VIKING DAN


Hey Dan... Thanks for checking in again. Every player gets hurt every game most likely, it's just one's who can play week to week, but I'm having trouble with your diagnosis on A-Rog, seeing that looking at your QB on the Vikqueens squad, who in 2 years has played in 16 games, 11 TD's, 16 INT's, come one man, TJack makes Rex Gross,Man look good. A-Rog would have finally beat Favre out for the starting job this year anyway... in an open training camp competition he would, another reason Brett's trying to stack the deck as the automatic starter if he returns. Tampering charges against the Vikings... This year is going to be fun!  BK
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4 SALE! A late 30's veteran who who plays like Roy Hobbs. Has an itch to play somewhere for 1 year. Must be starter. NFC Central need not apply. 1st round compensation welcome or multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks.

4 Closure! Apologize to the fans regardless of the outcome. Whether you are the starter this year in GB or traded or remain retired. That's how you gain our respect. That's the closure I want.

Pfunk
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Packergeeks has a great post with a great point - something is up with Brett. It may be that he is really missing his dad's guidance, it may be that TT did something so bad we'll never know about it. I don't think we can forgo 16 years of consistently human behavior (even when in rehab, etc. and screwing up) with two weeks of Prima Donna. But he does need to figure it out. I believe he can do it. Maybe Deanna needs to take over for Big Irv.

Go Pack!

lostinutah

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Ross Tucker, recently retired player, explained the retirement recently changed process on Sirius NFL Radio the other day. Evidently the government didn't like the old NFL procedure where a player had to file the paperwork. Something about how the player shouldn't be able to define when their retirement started. Also, this takes the responsibility off the player and puts it on the team. The team is not supposed to do this unless the player shows an intention to retire, like announcing it in a press conference.

So now the player doesn't file a darn thing. The team places the player on this reserved/retired list, and that means the player is retired as far as the league is concerned. The player's salary falls off the team's cap. Any prorated bonuses would then be added back to the team's salary total, thus reducing that team's cap space. The Packers wisely amortized Favre's bonuses early in the deal, so they basically gain all $12 mil in salary reduction and added cap space.

If the player does nothing, he's now retired as far as the league and government are concerned. A normal retiree would have to do nothing but wait for the bargained retirement benefits to start.

The player can reverse the whole process by filing these reinstatement documents. If Favre does that, the process goes right back to where it was before the Packers put him on the reserve/retired list. He'd then be like any other active player on the roster. Their 2008 salary total goes up by Favre's $12 million salary, and they have that much less cap space, etc.

Ruppert


Thanks Ruppert... Brett retired on March 3rd, by the end of March he was ready to un-retire, then he retired again. April 25th is when the Packers officially placed him on the reserve/retired list. So they gave him another month to maybe change his mind again, he didn't, and with the NFL Draft only a week away, and with Daunte Culpepper spurning TT's sort of low-ball offer, the Packers drafted 2 QB's and moved on.  BK
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Having had to work, I just watched the Greta interviews on the 'puter. Hmmmmm...I am really confused. As I see you are.

Lemondrop


Hey Lemondrop, I'm so far gone around the bend and bent so far out of shape it will take a few weeks to get it all straighten back out. Confused is the least of my problems...  BK
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I'm amazed with how many of you take part in bashing one of the greatest Packers players ever. He's given us 16 great years (more than TT and MM have done). And yet, you are are so quick to get on the "let's bash Brett bandwagon". I can understand that he's partly in the wrong here (guilty of retiring early and not fully committing until now) and maybe it is time to "move on". Not my opinion, however, that's a respectable argument. ... What's not respectable is how you all (especially Beerkid) colorfully disrespect a guy who brought the Packers back form the ashes (70s-80s) and doesn't deserve this. You all are so quick to turn on this guy. There are two sides to this story, both parties are at fault. Most other teams deal with players who are on drugs, get involved in shootings, scream and yell at other players on the sidelines, etc. Favre's only guilty of retiring early and wanting to come back and then being stunned to find out that the organization he's bleed for and helped make a 13 and 3 team last year, won't take him back (slap in the face, doesn't make a God **** bit of sense). I'd be a little pi**ed off too. I just can't wait 'till next year when Rodgers starts to get boo'ed and you all jump on the "let's bash Rodgers" bandwagon. Of course, I won't be here to see it, because I'll be on some other Packers website that doesn't jump legendary QBs as their being escorted out of Lambeau Field by TT's security team.

I'M DONE WITH THIS FAIR-WEATHER SITE


No No NO! You Can't Leave! Especially for mis-characterizing us as a Fair Weather Site - WTF! is up with that? I was sort of thinking that we here are one of the more caustic and cynical websites around. We do love our Packers though, through thick and thin, we will certainly bitch all day long, but at the end of that day (which is everyday), we will stand with the Green Bay Packers. And for as disrespecting one of the greatest Packers ever. Yes he was, he might still be, but he personally doesn't like the GM of the Packers, and instead of shutting his mouth, and cashing his monstrous pay-check, he's belly-aching about not being able to take the summer off with out deciding if he wants to play or not. HOF QB's don't act this way... Why are you giving him a pass?  BK
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Again, I say release Favre. That ends the story with the Packers. Just release him, what is the problem. I am not one of the many who want Brett to come back and play in Green Bay. The amount of bad blood between these guys makes that impossible. Favre needs to move on. Let him move on, whatever or wherever that is.

I don't want to hear that it is bad business to let him go. You think this current nightmare is not bad business!!! No publicly traded companies CEO would let this much bad PR take place without trying to end it as soon as possible. We are creating a future PR nightmare when trying to bring in free agents; it will be harder to attract veteran free agent players. (I guess that is if we ever try to get a quality free agent.) When your management is accused of telling untruths (lies) and involved with a future hall of famer in a pissing match it does not make your organization look good.

Secondly, just for fun I would like to see all three at ESPN for an interview. If you think Favre got softball questions on Fox. What do you think TT and Packer management has gotten from the Journal Sentinel or WTMJ hard balls? Thompson is somehow believed to be completely honest in this thing. Are you kidding me?? Favre and Thompson have egos the size of the state of Wisconsin. This is a he said, he said, there is no winner.

Let Favre go and deal with it. Put Thompson's product on the field and let’s compete. If we compete against Favre it is not the end of the world. Why are people so worried about playing against Favre on another team? End this mess and release Favre.

Those of you that think Favre is washed up, those of you that think Aaron is the next Tom Brady, those of you who think Thompson is a genius, those of you who think Thompson is a joke, those of you who just hate Favre, and those of you who are just looking for a way out of this mess, solve the Packer's problems and release him. We need to move on and we all doubt Favre will play anyway.

We don't all have to agree on liking Favre or Thompson, because we are all not going to agree on this. We do have to find a way to move on with the least long term damage to the Packers. Release Favre, and let’s get back to building the current team.

CAMP
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Your right Beerkid It's now obvious #4 wanted to play,and play GM (Let Wahl go, didn't get Moss or interview Mooch. In this battle of egos there was only 1, #4's. I backed him 100% till he changed from a good old boy to a drama queen with a ego similiar to T.O's and Chad Johnson. This is so SAD!! Way to go TT and Mike....

dfarmer


Hey dfarmer, now the circus is in full swing as the Packers have filed tampering charges against the Minnesota Vikings over coach Darren Bevell's off-season contact with Brett. They are friends... but I wonder what advice he gave Brett, something like "get out of your contract and come play for the Vikqueens". That would be my advice to my QB friend who doesn't like his current GM.  BK
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Hey BK, Just saw very interesting Peter King on ESPN this PM. He still has the voicemail that Favre left him a couple days after he announced his retirement. Seems Brett message states very clearly that Ted T and the Pack never forced him to retire. Peter says that he has been playing that for people to hear for themselves over the past several days...

Still 100% behind the Packers.

Boz



Hey Boz, are you and Peter King saying Brett is lying? 'Cuz there's thousands of BF-fanboy's out-there who have been trying to convince us all that TT and MM were the only ones who were lying... As always, thanks for the updates.  BK
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I sure do hope for all of us "PACKERS FANS" that Aaron Rodgers can play QB like we all "ASSUME" he can. It's been about 19 years since we've had a bad one...I still cannot believe that TT Boy is comfortable with handing a 13-3 team on the verge of a Superbowl over to a guy has never started a regular season game. and Backed up by 2 rookies. or is Nall still on the roster....Anyway we will all live with Teddy's choices.We as "PACKER FANS" have been spoiled for a long time.and I wanna know, who? player or coach ie... people who really know about the lockeroom has said that BF is a cancer... He's never said anything bad about AR or any other team mate. Well anyhow in a time when he seems to be very unpopular,and none of us really know whats goin too happen with BF. I'll go way out ona limb and say "THANX BRETT FOR 16 YEARS OF SERVICE TOO MY FAVORITE FOOTBALL TEAM THANK YOU VERY MUCH".....

Chilwil86

Hey ChilWil86, you're not suggesting that Aaron Rodgers has a chance at making asses of you and me and thousands of others... but yes, we are assuming that A-Rog has that ability to win alot of games for the Packers.  BK
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hought you'd like to read this and, if you react like I do, have your eyes roll back in your head with the irony... I wonder if Javon Walker is available to comment on the current Favre situation...

My favorite excerpt, “If Javon wants to know what he quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way,” Favre told the Green Bay Press-Gazette. “When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you.”

from: Favre: Walker is selfish - Brett Favre says that the Green Bay Packers can win without Pro Bowl wide receiver Javon Walker.

Here's what is going on people, read through and stay with me... TT and MM just got contract extensions this (past) year...the team is young (the youngest in the NFL), the team is POISED to become a dynasty (or a dynasty in the making if you will), the Packers may take a step backward this coming season (new QB plus young players and extra-plus depleted defensive line -- we need one more good draft at least) and the Packers may darn well miss the playoffs in 2008. HOWEVER, in year two of the new era, it all starts to make sense, and scare the crap out of opponents. Think about it... a year from now, when this team starts to gel even more, and the final pieces are added/acquired, do we really want a 39 year old QB in place? Only to get hurt, retire, or put us through this BS "i'm going to retire/i'm not going to retire/geez maybe I will retire" crap?? With A-Rod under center (or Brohm), we have a much brighter LONG TERM future. It makes sense. I can take a (one) year of watching our team grow up to know that we'll have many more years of being a part of "the tipping point" -- more than Favre could deliver... PLAYOFF VICTORY(s) AND SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS. Get it?

about time


Hey about time, it's always a battle and gamble between "win now" and "build for later". Like most Packers fans, I want it both ways. Honestly, I've always said that the Packers GM should make gambles with players that can help BF out and win the Pack another SB. I would take a bad year that would follow such a gamble, of course the trick is not to have many many bad years follow. I don't think Brett can win us big games anymore, but he can always report for Training Camp and prove me wrong. I won't care, I love the Packers through all my ever-changing moods.  BK
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Brett's attitude and actions show the problem with great athletes in the US. They know they can get away with anything as long as they produce on the field. Brett has been showing his attitude toward the Packers when he said " he might call their bluff." What a childish statement to make.

Frank
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Rodgers and his agent should redo his contract right now. Rodgers should tell the public he is willing to wait one more year. Great public relations. Play Rodgers when we are up by 14 or down by 14. This all goes away.

john
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I am with you BeerKid!! It has been mentioned in some quarters that Brett's "aw shucks" persona was a fabrication for public consumption. Well, he certainly fooled me.....never in my Packer loving life did I anticipate the massive goodwill I have held for the guy could/would be dispensed with so quickly!! It is gone!

And now, having been called on his bullshit, he is doing his ever-loving best to take the legs out from under this organization. It is almost as if he is intentionally sabotaging AR's start, and the team as a whole, to validate his own greatness.....I can hear it now from the booth...."boy, if Brett Favre were here the Packers would not be having such a rough go at it in 2008".

Dude is nothing more than a grown up version of a spoiled brat, and his "my way or the highway" attitude speaks volumes, sadly.

Hit the road Brett! Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out of Green Bay, and many fans' hearts.

Scott - "Formerly Drunk on Water Street
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Here's the link from the JSOnline Packers Blog to some interesting info that never made the "aired" interview:

Brett Favre, Part 2, and the aftermath

What needs to be made PERFECTLY CLEAR TO ALL PACKER AND FAVRE FANS IS THAT THE MEDIA ONLY TELLS YOU WHAT THEY WANT TO. Look, Brett/Deanna called Greta because they thought she would give him a chance to tell his part. Looks like that never happened - aired on TV anyway.

That said, I'm still 100% behind the Packers...

Boz
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Drama queen... the interview transcript said it all. he just keeps tarnishing his legendary status amongst Packer fans.

Bobby
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Brett Favre QB rating in 07 POSTSEASON; 99.0 - Peyton Manning rating in 07 POST; 97.6 - Tom Brady rating in 07 POST; 96.0 - Phillip Rivers... who cares...

Now, you don't want Brett Back huh? Business is business, and the Favre gives the Packers the best chance to win. What else is there. The Packers have quote "Moved on". That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. Yeah TT wanted to move on simply because he wants to put his stamp (I drafted all of the players) on this team, but three months went by. There's plenty of time to reverse course. This isn't like corporate america where when you quit, you're done. The NFL has never worked that way and many players have retired only to come back. Case and point, Strahan didn't make up his mind to play until August and as I recall he did pretty good for a "washed up, old" player. Truth is, if TT and MM hadn't pressured Favre into making an early decision, we would have avoided all of this mess. They really didn't need to get a decision out of him until training camp and if they were smart would have insisted he not make a decision until them. Yeah we drafted two QBs in the draft, supposedly as a result of Brett's announcement. But seriously, we probably would have drafted them anyways had Brett decided then he was going to play another year or two.

We can't put all of our faith in Candy Ankles. I know a bunch of you think he's going to be the next greatest thing, but more likely then not he'll be the next Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, or Rex Grossman. How do all "loved Favre last year, and now I hate him" think that Rodgers is going to be just as good as Brett. Please... put down... the crack pipe!!!

2008 Packers go 7-9 with Rodgers


Thanks 7-9, BF's QB rating for the NFC Championship game was 70.65, the 2nd half was around 44.0 - and despite that, all he had to do was throw the ball to Ryan Grant who was running away from your case-in-point Strahan, and the Packers could have been in position to win that game. Instead, he launched the ball downfield directly to a NY CB and the game was basically over after that. TT and MM have done wonders for this franchise, and BF wants to un-do all this because TT didn't resign Rivera & Wahle, didn't hire Mariucci, and wouldn't agree to the salary demands of Moss. All old news, but it's why BF didn't want to play this year. Great!

Thanks again, and make sure to come back right before the season and re-submit your Packers prediction, I'm pretty sure mine will be 11-5 first place NFC North, no matter who the QB is.  BK

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Anyone who thinks Brett Favre should be the starting QB for the packers in '08 doesn't understand how a winning team is built. The NFL season does not "start" in Aug...It is year round. If Favre didn't want to work with the team in the off season and plan new offensive plays and strategies, He's not interested in winning ball games. Mike McCarthy understands this, that is why he had to draw the line. Hell, for all we know the Pack might be planning to run a wishbone offense this year and Favre would still be a reckless gunner. Favre is great and will always be great, but it's too late this year.. unless he wants to study under Rogers and learn the new plays the team has been working on all year..if not, I'm sure Al Harris won't mind running back a few picks for TDs..

fat oak


Hey Fat Oak, Thanks for checking in... Ruppert below has the quote - "It's all about you", but my good friend Shane at Fat Oak Records has the song - All About You - Oh he's singing about a girl, but these days, it might just as well be about St. BF. This is just a test page for the song, and we're still developing the website so nothing is finalized, and he has many great songs, but listen to this song and read his lyrics, because it's relevant today for us Packers fans.  BK
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You're on the money, BeerKid. I'm a lifelong Pack fan, not a lifelong Favre fan. This whole thing is bordering on tragedy. Like a friend of mine said yesterday, "This is sad because a week ago Favre was a legend. Now he's just another asshole."

Salt Lake Cheeser
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Brett has become such a pop star that it makes me sick. Greta Van Susteren? Why not ESPN? I guess he didn't want to field any tough, football-related questions. And I'm going to curse at my TV tonight if he cries again...

He said that when TT called him right after the draft, he figured it was because he wanted to ask him to come back. WHAT? Sure, Ted was going to say "Jeez Brett, I know we just drafted 2 QBs, but PLEASE come back so I'll have to cut one!!??"

I get the feeling he's been sitting there expecting the team to come crawling to him to beg him back. And now that it didn't happen, he's pulling everything in the book to make us all feel sorry for him.

If he really didn't want to retire in March, he should have just said "Sorry, I don't know yet...I need a few more months." Sure, they wanted an answer before that draft, but what would they have done? It's obvious they wouldn't have cut him. They would have had to wait. And they wouldn't have promised anything at A-Rod or the rest of the team.

It's all about you, Brett. It's all about you.

Ruppert
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...I'm still waiting to hear the reason he retired, which he never got to that answer yesterday. Mentioned it briefly, but moved on to other things. Seemed like they danced around that subject. But I guess they have more for us to watch today. I have a feeling that even after today most of our questons still won't be answered.

I'm trying to give him the benefit fo the doubt, but so far nothing that was said sheds enough light on the whole thing. He says that the truth needs to be told, and not just a half-truth or part of the story, but yet he hasn't said all that much that's clearing up the matter either.

What a mess......sigh....

Lady K
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Well, here's my two cents: I don't really care what happens, as long as Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers on September 8, 2008. Brett Favre retired. Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy planned this season based on that. Whether Favre is the starting quarterback somewhere else, the backup quarterback in Green Bay or still retired (happy about it or not), it won't change one of the best eras in Packer history, and certainly the best era that I have been fully aware of, and it won't change the fact that Brett Favre was the largest part of it. Whether he is enshrined in Canton in 2012 or 2014 or 2020, his legacy won't be tarnished. Does anyone care that Reggie White made an ill-advised comeback after his retirement? Of course not, and neither will we care if Favre comes back, ill-advised or not.

Thompson's and McCarthy's legacies are yet to be established, and if their decisions turn out to be bad ones, so be it. If hindsight treats them kindly, so be it. But the decisions are theirs to make, and no one, not even Saint Vincent, made only good decisions regarding the Packers.

And if you happen to be a Brettophile let me remind you: it’s “Pack”4Life, not “Favre”4Life.

Duane in Almost God's Country - Pack4Life!

P.S. I've never seen a purple Favre. I never hope to see one, But I can tell you this right now... You know, I'm just gonna say I'd rather not see one, and leave it at that.
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12 minus 4 = 8 reasons why I believe Brett will be hunting this fall and not thinking of playing Football 100%.
  1. Aaron will now be supported by team w/ great chemistry.
  2. With no unconditional release & either being fined $15,000 a day...cutting grass is cheaper.
  3. NFL Analysis are just given to QB's.
  4. Playing till your Grey is one thing but playing till your bald gets cold in GB.
  5. Your Street is just that a Pass
  6. Packer Nation is not only a Favre Nation.
  7. Playing and Winning are two different things
  8. As Madden would say "If you have an itch use Tough Act'in Tinactin!" Boom!!

Party like it's 1991
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"Moving on" is what the Packers have done, according to all official team mouthpieces, this spring. "Moving on" from what to what, I ask. If "moving on" now, does that mean they've treaded water since, um, when?

Seems TT started "moving on" soon as he took over GM duties from Sherman. Seems the young, talented team in place now is the result of "moving on".

"Moving on" included getting rid of Wahle and Rivera, not keeping them to please Favre and going with young receivers, not signing Moss to please Favre.

Seems to me "moving on" is what a team must constantly do or they become Leonardo Dicaprio in What's Eating Gilbert Grape_ "We're not going anywhere."

I still maintain, although he doesn't want him back, TT will be forced to take him...unless he really believes Rodgers is the better option, whereupon he should have no fear letting Favre play wherever.

If Brett is serious about playing this year, he must ask for his reinstatement. Once he becomes a Packer again, we'll see if "the scenery" changes.

BK, if not being around for all team activities in the offseason is an eliminator, were you ready to heave Harris and Woodson the past few years?

Go Pack!
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BK, Whoa! Can't remember seeing you like this! Have a Chimay and some WI cheese curds...

Brett - You're absolutely right! As a former 3X NFL MVP, Super Bowl Champion, NFL QB Team Leader with 17 years experience, you should be leading your team during the off-season by practicing by yourself on a high school field 1,100 miles away, for 12 million dollars. You, you, TEAM guy, you!

Greta - Thanks for helping Brett push the "SELF-DESTRUCT" button on (inter)national TV!

Boz


Hey Boz, thanks for worrying about my mental health, you weren't the only one, by 9am I had my 1 bottle of Stone IPA gone, and by the time I got back from store with the 2 large bottles of Chimay, I was calmed down enough to just ignore the BF commentary for awhile. Mental health was restored, but of course, it's a brand new day.  BK
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Why not let the players that have contracts show up at camp and let the best players start? Isn't that what coaching staffs do? Determine who is the BEST at a position and put the BEST players on the field? Life is pretty simple in Old School Fan's house...

Old School Fan


Hey Old School Fan, stop making sense!!! Compete for a starting job on a football team, what an unique idea.  BK
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If I were a Packer fan, I'd be disgusted with Favre. He had the opportunity to change his mind and he didn't. The season is starting soon and the Packers have to let Rodgers take control of the wheel. It seems to me that Favre is being selfish and he needs to get over it. Either way, it won't matter if it's Favre, Rodgers or Brohm at QB because the Vikings will take care of business.

VIKING DAN


Hey Viking Dan, I'm a day late replying to you, but no way, no how, will the always over-rated Vikqueens win in Green Bay this year, and most likely, won't beat us in the Dome either. Go Pack!!!  BK
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I'm 40, been a Packers fan since 3rd grade. After hearing the coach told Brett returning is not an option, I'm done. I can't support TT and this coach. They have treated the Players like cattle. They should be having a limo picking Favre up, instead they treat him like this. No more TT BS, I am taking my name of the season ticket waiting list. No more Green Bay Packers for me. Everyone else enjoy watching your new QB relive the 80's !

Mark in Superior
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Your right on the money Beerkid. What a shame to have a great career end this way. #4 is showing that he is just another pampered athlete and he is gutting the Packers on his way out... WHAT A SHAME!

dfarmer

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Quoth Lombardi...

   Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it.

Monday, July 14, 2008

Speak Out Spew Off... 

Brett On FOX News Tonight!


Now were going to get Brett Favre's response to all of this crap that's been going on for a few weeks. Check out the advance article - Favre on Fox News tonight: Pack should let me play elsewhere - and get ready for some money quotes from Brett:
  • "I am guilty of retiring early and there is a reason for that..."

  • "Them moving on does not bother me... It doesn't. I totally understand that. By me retiring March 3rd, I knew that could possibly happen. All I was saying is, you know, I'm thinking about playing again."
All the flippin' uproar and Brett is still only in the "thinking about playing again" mode. What a bunch of crap! It's going to be hard, but be sure to watch FOX tonight and maybe something good for all of us will still have chance to come out of this mess.

Anyway, I decided to lookup the story back March 2001 when Brett did sign that "life-time" contract with the Packers, a 7 year 100 million extension to an existing 3 year 21 million dollar contract that totaled up to 10 years 121 million. I know alot can change over the years, but here's some more money quotes from Brett:
  • "I don't want to move. I enjoy the fans. I just want to stay. I couldn't envision myself playing for another team. If that would ever come up, I'd probably just retire. I've made enough money that I don't need to jump ship and go somewhere else. So it was just important to me to stay here."
Yes, a lot can change over the course of many years... check out the old article - Contract sets Favre for life.

I wonder what tough questions Brett is really going to get with Appleton native Greta Van Sustern, and it was strange choice to go to Fox News instead of the usual Sports Reporters, after all, Brett's clan has been leaking to those guys for weeks. My guess, Greta is a safe choice, so expect tonight that Brett will confirm that it's all TT's fault, and he won't be pushed on it. - I know I'm repeating myself here, but maybe something good for all of us will still have chance to come out of this mess.

BeerKid - Still Pack 4 Life!

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Many want to show Favre the door. I say let him go!! Don't be afraid of him. If your quaterback is the better man stand up and get ready for the challenge. If Ted Thompson is as bright as many think, maybe the challenge will make him actually bring in some free agent talent so he doesn't lose to Favre. The situation is a no win, but don't tell the guy he is not good enough to play and then be afraid to play him.

Play the game Ted!!

CAMP
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My love for our Packers runs deep - deeper than any one player ... even when that player is The Legend #4. The Packers are one of the most reputable professional organizations out there.

Brett, we love you, but we love our Packers more.

LongIslandCheesehead
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Can't we all just get along?

Rodney King
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After watching NFL network program on 66 and 67 Pack.... St. Vincent would have shown him the door. One player (Jim Taylor, every bit the legend as Favre) does not dictate to the team.

Robey, Bama
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You start right by saying both sides made mistakes but it is now becoming clear that liking Brett as an employee, which is what he is, can be very hard to do. Brett and his ego screwed this up, TT has the whole team to manage. Moss comment is hindsite, and would you really want a guy who can't make up his mind running the whole operation???

dfarmer
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Distractions like this almost always lead to injury, I've seen it time and time again. No matter how disrespectful Mr. Favre is to the organization through his actions, I have to feel bad about his prospects-being his age with an offensive line that wasn't built around him. Still I wish him well. Having said that, I cheered for Jim McMahon in '96 because he wore the big G on his helmet-as did the rest of you. Let's give Rogers the ball and a chance(and sweep them damn Bears). Go Pack Go!

mbgame
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Favre retired, What else is the front office to do but get ready for Aaron Rodgers? I think this is very selfish of Favre and anyone who thinks that Packers should do whatever he says are the same idiots who couldn't let go of the Lombardi era and let Green Bay live in 60's all through the 70's and 80's while they were mediocre jokes with former players as coaches.

Chris REG
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Why can't Brett get a life and move on. Brett had his years in the sunshine, thanks to the Packers, now it's time to ride off into the sunset on his lawn mower. I was going to make more comments but I've decided not to waste anymore of my time on "The Barry Bonds" of the Green Bay Packers, a cancer in the locker room!

ROMANPACK
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I understand passionate opinions and the desire and drive to share them, but have lost our vocabulary skills to such a degree that we can only remember FOUR letter words and the Name of Our Savior Jesus Christ. C'mon, share your thoughts but bite your tongues! Thanks for the great site.

Scott, Chippewa Falls


Hey Scott, thanks for checking, I do reserve the right to edit swear words, I choose not too... and I honestly can't think of a better situation that absolutely demands a few cussing words, and they are just words after all to release stress... thanks again.  BK
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I've been a Packer fan since the early 60's and have seen real good teams and real bad teams. Since Brett has been with the Packers it has been tremendous. He has held the Packers and their fans in the palm of his hand because of his performance and personality. But for the last few years he has let his ego get in the way. How many times did we wonder "Is Brett retiring or will he come back for just one more year." He has come back for one more year more than once. Now at last he makes a decision, and the Packers try to go in a direction to help the team, then he changes his mind. How can any business work that way?

When a significant employee retires, a company must move on to another direction. They give him a retirement party and move on with his replacement. Brett hasn't allowed the Packers to do that. He retired, they drafted accordingly and now he changes his mind. I guess it's Ok because it's Brett. But what would people say if Elway or Marino had done this. As Packer fans we would have been laughing at Miami or Denver. It's time for Brett to grow up and make a decision. Does he want to play football with the big boys or retire. He has earned both choices, but he can only make one.

Frank
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Brett should start in 2008

Joe from Ohio
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I agree. This is a mess. BUT neither party is 100% to blame, nor is either side 100% blameless. The truth lies somewhere in the middle-and like it or not, whatever we think won't change anything, and this will have to play itself out in it's own way.
tt is doomed over this-there is no way for him to not look like a P.O.S. when the dust settles.

He should remember that his primary job is to put the best possible team on the field, and I don't think there is much question the Favre is better than Rodgers.
If Rodges is offended --who gives a f@@@? He gets paid a lot to hold the board and be ready. IF the managemnt group is so convinced he's THE guy of the future--extend him right now and give him a big salary and a good bonus. Or if they don't want to do that, maybe they should let his agent shop him around...then they and the Packers will discover that "potential" (1 TD, 1INT) don't pay the mortgage and he should be happy to be getting the money he is.

You gotta let him back if he wants to come-and if he does-you gotta let him compete (and win) the starting job--or you'll be starting the second best QB on the roster and the management will lose all respect from the team. They won't tolerate that.

Coach Carl
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Quoth Lombardi...

   Winners never quit and quitters never win.

Sunday, July 13, 2008

Colossus Of Green Bay... 

Tonight on your favorite local access channel, comes an exciting episode of Wisconsin History Detectives. Was there a Colossus of Green Bay? A giant man nicknamed Le Favri, with his stone axe and oblong rock who defended the watery entrance to the Fox and East Rivers of northeastern Wisconsin. A myth once thought to be an old local drinking legend, and jokingly called the 4th Wonder Of Ancient Wisconsin. There is new historical evidence to suggest otherwise, a hand drawn map from 1867 that clearly shows the Colossus guarding the entrance to Green Bay. We sent our favorite historian detective, Professor Lemon LeDrop to investigate.

"Well, the first thing that stands out is this whole idea of a stone axe and rounded rock. One can clearly see in the artist's reproduction of the map that we're looking at a NFL Football and a Vince Lombardi Super Bowl trophy. Jeeeesh! It clearly looks like Brett Favre to boot". Continuing, Prof. LeDrop said that "I decided to look into the nickname "Le Favri", which appeared from our other information that we gathered to be of French orgin and was short for 'être le favori', which can be translated as 'be the favorite'. Now looking at this in a whole new light, it's mangled by time, but it clearly stands for Brett L. Favre, A current QB for the Green Bay Packers. So I headed west into the woodlands to search for more references to the Colossus."

"Now what's truly new is that we found information concerning the Oneida Oracle of Ashwaubenon, and her role in having the giant statue created. Her prophecy of a great leader who would come and lead the people to the promised land, not once but twice." said the Professor. "That can be confusing. But if you believe that the Colossus not only existed, but represented Brett Favre some 150 years before he was born, then the Packers still need to win another Super Bowl with Brett Favre at the helm."

Controversial for sure, but we thank Professor Lemon LeDrop for her time and comment, and make sure to tune in tonight to your favorite local access channel and learn more about the Colossus of Green Bay, the 4th Wonder of Ancient Wisconsin.

Spew Off Speak Out... 

To all those that hate Favre or hate TT (the bug eyed one) if you think that everything the front office media machine of the Packers says is gospel you are kidding yourselves. I am sure Brett has his spin as well. I have a feeling there will be a book written some day that will cover how ugly this has been and how long it has went on. I think these two guys have not liked each other since day one.

Finally, Ted Thompson will have a cloud hanging over him for the rest of his time with the Packers. I do not agree with the way Brett has handled the retirement on again, off again thing. It is the job of management to do everything you can to get the best players back each year to help you win a Super Bowl. Ted should have been doing whatever he could to get Favre back to Green Bay. I don't think this has ever been done, as a matter of fact I think it has been the opposite.

Yea, that Moss trade would have been so difficult. Looking back at last year, were we one player away last year. Yea, I would say we were. So who was right Ted or Brett?? I will put my faith in a guy who has been on the Packers for almost two decades.

CAMP - Live and Die with the Pack

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Have you seen this new T-Mobile advertisement on TV featuring none other the Brett Favre.... in it, he he says: "After 17 seasons, it's time for me to say 'Hello.'"

FirstCuts: T-Mobile Foreshadows Favre's Return

Greg T., Minneapolis
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Brett, go lay down by your dish.

Boz
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From ESPN - Build your own shrine in Brett Favre's locker! No need for a shrine, just build the Colossus of Favre straddling the Fox River.....



Lemondrop

P.S. Here another website - http://SaveBrett.net - Help Brett Favre Return as the Starting Quarterback for the Packers
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Enough. Favre can take his primadona act elswhere I'm sick of it.No one man is bigger than the team. He's played head games with the Packers office & fans for too long.

lifelong Yooper Pack fan
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ted thompson reminds me of a jealous sport dad whose son (rogers) is not getting all of the spotlight and will stop at nothing to get rid of the star player (favre). favre is the packers !!! favre, white, wolf and holmgren built this team. i will always bleed green and gold, no matter what!!!

always a packers fan
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Packers are 100% right. Like Big Irv said "Brett knows when to be business" (and so do the Packers!). More to come...

Boz
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First of all...I love the Packers and will always be a Packer fan. For 17 years, I was also a Brett Favre fan, but now all of that has changed.

Sure this soap opera is frustrating, but not nearly as frustrating as listening/reading the comments demanding a TT/McCarthy lynching. Have you people lost your minds? I reckon that the majority of you aren't even Packer fans, but rather people itching to come to a Packer dedicated website and pretend to actually care just for the satisfaction of stirring the pot.

Do you remember where this team was before TT came here from Seattle? How many draft picks from the Mike Sherman era are still around? How many of "Brett's best years" were wasted during the Sherman era? Listen to me....get off the Brett Love Train already. One man doesn't make a team...it takes a team to win. If there is anything Brett has proven in the last couple months is that the team means nothing...it's all about the Brett baby.

This Ted Thompson bashing has to stop. When the truth comes out, it'll be clear that the Packers did everything in their power to get Brett back. God forbid they ask Favre to make a decision prior to April so they can assemble something of a draft. TT has hit on nearly every draft pick he's had and he signs Ryan Grant to re-energize a sagging ground game. Ted takes a 4-12 team that was still reeling from the Sherman era and returns with a team that ended the season with NFC Championship game at home...one game short of the Superbowl. And why did the Packers fall short? Uh, why else? Another errant Brett Favre interception.

I'm convinced that Brett Favre gave that game (NFC championship 2007 Giants/Packers) away. Look into his eyes...and you'll see he just gave up and heaved it. Brett completely abandons the game plan and starts making $hit up. Yeah, sometimes it results in some spectacular stuff...but, more often he breaks your heart. Just a few years ago, Brett made a comment to the press about how he "wasn't sure he wanted the ball with 2 minutes left and down by a touchdown" and he's been spewing crap like that ever year since. Brett WAS a great player and he had a spectacular 2007, but that doesn't grant him the right to continually hold this franchise hostage year after year. In his OWN WORDS during his press conference, Brett said, "I know I can still play, I just don't know if I want to."

Fast forward to the future...Aaron Rogers. Here's a guy who studies, attends all the VOLUNTARY camps, hangs out with his teammates, and by all accounts (already) has had a "terrific offseason". He's had four years to sit behind one of the best and to call this guy injury prone based on a couple games is pretty pathetic. If anything, the guy should be commended for as being as tough as Favre, Rogers finished the game on a broken ankle. And NOT ONCE has Aaron Rogers said he was unsure if he wanted the ball with only 2 minutes left and down by a touchdown. All of you phonies who think this team is better with Favre need to remember....the Ravens won a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer. I'd much rather have a young, agile, QB (Rogers) with a huge upswing versus an aging QB who can't make up his mind whether or not he's 100% committed to playing football up until the 11th hour. Aaron Rogers has a good team around him and the Mike McCarthy football philosophy bodes well for someone who plays with the system and not continually outside of it.

What does Favre do to prepare for a run to the Superbowl? He works out at home with a personal trainer...he throws footballs to high schoolers, and he mows his lawn. And in the midst of all that, he finds enough time to taunt us with his return by employing his mother and brother to do his dirty work in the press. Grow some balls Brett and speak for yourself! I thought you were tough, but in the end you're just like all the other athletes (Sharpe, Walker, McKenzie) you said you were not.

Favre fans....wake up. With every door that closes, a new one opens.

Greg T., Minneapolis
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Why do NFL teams need GM's anyways? They can just let the best players on every team decide who's on the team and who's on the starting line-up. Let's get rid of the coaches and let the players run the practices. Heck, let them decide where to play and when to play. Nobody buys a ticket to watch a GM or a coach. Let the best players make all the decisions and allow the NFL live up to it's potential. GM's and coaches are ruining the game.

ScottS
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Brett, Not going anywhere for a while! Snickers...

ILLviking


Hey Ill Viking... nice one. I liked the idea enough that I had to comply with your request. Too bad it will be a Packers opening-night win no matter who our QB is.  BK
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Thompson said he's dealing with what is real when he said Rodgers is the Packers' QB. But if Brett asks Goodall for reinstatement, Thompson will be forced to make a decision based on a new reality - Favre will be on the Packers' roster.

I can't believe Ted's desire to call the team "his own" will override his desire for a 4th Lombardi Trophy sitting in the shrine room (a gloriously solemn space) at the Hall of Fame, so he'd likely leave Rodgers on the bench.

As for Candy Ankles, if Brett comes back, Aaron should simply shut his mouth and get on board. After all, it could be his best shot at getting a ring.

Go Pack!
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Hey BeerKid........... I can't believe I'm letting myself write another sentence on this stupid saga but today on ESPN during a telephone interview that they had w/some Milwaukee reporter-something-or-other, that guy stated that he heard from sources close to Favre, that Favre is enjoying stirring the pot every-so-often. I've read that Favre was a prankster in the locker room, maybe he's having a last one on TT.

Long Live the Pack!!!


Hey LLtP... If only the situation between TT and Brett was so simple...  BK
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Passion = Truth - Cat got your tongue, Ted Thompson?

Jeff Ircink
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I just read the transcript timeline offered by Ted Thompson...

Brett...sorry dude, but you had your chances. The plane left the gate, the boat left the dock, and the train left the station. Congratulations, the whole world is now sick of you. I once thought you actually meant the words you spewed at your weekly podium speeches...the ones about knowing when the curtain has fallen and when to ride into the sunset. Sorry, but (for me) you've spent your last "But, I'm Brett Favre" token and there's no re-admission allowed.

I'm not saying Ted Thompson can do no wrong, but I see nothing else the Packers could've done to make him suit up again. This is all so "high school" that I want to puke. What an embarrassment.

Greg T., Minneapolis
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Quoth Lombardi...

   Leadership is based on a spiritual quality; the power to inspire, the power to inspire others to follow.

Friday, July 11, 2008

Speak Out Spew Off... 

BeerKid and I disagree on this one, but I can't believe the Packers are stupid enough to not welcome Brett back with open arms. I mean bend-over-backwards until it hurts. Yeah, Brett's indecisiveness doesn't help, but his 17 years did. What about other teams who tolerate player's troubles with the law, drugs, etc. etc.? Ted can't deal with an emotional player? This sounds like 7th grade! And the thought of him playing on a different team? I am in complete shock. What a mistake...a big, big mistake.

Beerscout - In mourning...


We are not in total disagreement - I'm just not going to blame TT 100% for this mess. Brett Favre gets almost all of it. Now that Jay Glazer has mentioned that the Packers had an un-retirement party announced for Brett in late March when he changed his mind, hired a chartered plane for the news conference... and then Brett decided to stay retired. Doesn't that make it feel like time to move on... and the Packers did. I'm flummoxed, completely, now with Brett definitively wanting to play for another team by asking for his release, but how long will his feeling last this time. The Packers are between the rock and the hard place on this one, thanks to Brett not knowing what the hell he wants to do. Certainly not my week to quit drinking...

...and stop the Aaron "Candy Ankles" Rodgers talk, please, before it catches on.

BeerKid - Still Pack 4 Life!

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Hey BeerKid, Beerscout, Packer Paul and many others (seems I'm in the minority on this, BK in the middle +/-somewhere)........... Wish I'd had known you were right next door (Middleton), Packer Paul, we could have had a couple beers and discussed all this before you left for GB. Doubt we'd have changed each others minds though, maybe softened them a little.

I wasn't planning to comment anymore on this and frankly, I have grown tired of all the drama, already. I shared my thinking and stand by it. I believe they're both capable of taking us to the SB, I believe with a few games under his belt and his scrambling ability, Rodgers gives us a little better chance. Favre has the ability, I just wonder about the consistancy. I've read the other comments that were posted, and see some good points in them too. Most of the experts believe Farve gives the Packers a better chance this year. That means I must be wrong. It's just a shame that what should've been a win-win situation w/having both of these guys has turned into a mess. I'm a little discusted w/TT and Favre!!!!

We as fans, instead of taking sides for one or the other, we should be showing our discust w/both of them!!! Neither is innocent in all this and I feel both will fair better than the fans after all this is over, should this turn into a civil war. And we can't let that happen because, people, it's just a fucking game!!! Wars are messy, gruesome and no one wins. If everyone has noticed in the past, the people at the top do just fine, kiss-kiss when it's all over, back to the steak, crumpets and nice warm houses while the soldier's crawl from their frozen foxholes, putting their lives back together and fixing their wounds!!!

First, we must not turn this into a civil war between the fans. Second, we must as fans stand w/our players no matter what, til he's been given a fair chance to prove himself. If we turn on players and ruin them, how's the team supposed to get better. The Vike fans will probably turn on T-Jack if he has a few bad games and that'll be there demise once again. I'd like to think we're above that, but suddenly I'm not sure.

I imagine Favre has got be revelling in a power rush right now with all the fans coming to his aid and attacking TT...... as well as TT feeling the power of his position and the chance/challenge to use the full force of it.

I think the relationship is ruined, but I find myself now wishing Favre is back this year(though TT hasn't drafted the players for him to win a SB anyway). I'm curious to see who of us got it right. Unless he comes back we won't get that chance to see if our brains matched our words. Rodger's we will have that chance with later on. Lastly, I'm not sure what I've spewwed forth with all this, I guess it's that we need to hold this against them both, they're both at fault for this mess!!! They need to work together and fix it somehow and the fans need to not get so serious about this, it's just a game. If your not careful, you'll take the fun right out of it for yourselves.

Long Live the Pack!!!
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Oh, one last thing BeerKid........... Rodgers is the one whose innocent in this whole thing (if anyone ever really truely is). He's sat back, bided his time the last three years, said all the right things as he waited patiently for his chance. For anyone to attack him for all this would be shameful on any fan's part.

Long Live the Pack!!!
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I was at a wedding last night, and my two idiotic brother in laws, ( one a Bears fan and one those purple people fan) said either one of them would give up 1/2 the team to get Brett on THEIR team.

The wiser of the two asked these simple questions.. Who are the top 3 quarterbacks last year in the NFL? Name the top 3 quarterbacks you EVER saw play? Name me 3 quarterbacks that have the respect of EVERY team out there. Who's name is in every list?

Enough said...

IF Ted is at the root of all of this, and IF Ted has a chance to get Brett back, and does not, we ALL need to find a rope and head for Green Bay...there must be white oak tree somewhere near Lambeau Field...

Old School Fan
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Hi BK, Dang! Brett's gettin more grief for this than some other worthless players out there in NFL-land that have done much worse. DUI, weapons possession, domestic violence, I could go on and on. This guy supposedly just wants to come back and play....hello?!

I admit this circus is getting frustrating, but c'mon! Players/punks like T.O., Pacman Jones, and "Ocho-Cinco" have caused more riff than this, and they don't seem to get this much ridicule, and their antics/attitudes/actions in and out of the limelight are more detrimental than this. Why are we giving Brett so much grief?! I know we're passionate about this, but what really did he do wrong here, except allegedly admitting to wanting to come back, then calling in to request his release. Since he's not talking, I don't know who to believe right now. I wish HE would come out and straighten this up; the only statement from him that I recall is him texting that reporter in Mississippi to indicate the stories to be a 'rumor' and since then it's been quiet on his end, but it is hitting the fan from every direction. Has he made any other 'official statement'?

So, who do we believe here? Management? His family? The newstories? My head's still spinning....it's gotta end soon, though. Season opener will be here sooner than you think, and if the Packers are still planning on retiring his jersey on opening day(which to me seemed like TT is in a hurry to get that done and over with pretty quick)well, this mess will have to be settled, don't ya think?

Last thing, how many other players retired from one team to come out of retirement and go play for another. Or simply went to another team while still on active roster? Again, I still say it would hurt bad to see #4 in another jersey, but in the grand scheme of things this isn't the end of the world. The Packers will continue to move forward, and hopefully find what it takes to continue to be a formidable team in the NFC North, and scare the pants of the rest of the league. Part of me thinks there will be some lean years ahead, but only time will tell, I guess.

P.S. Hope you find a job soon, BK. I know what it's like, been out of work since December. Hope your severance was better than mine!

Lady K
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IM ASHAMED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOME PACKER FANS TODAY!! Are you packer fans or are you Favre fans. Brett Favre retired, he then planned to come back and we welcomed him, and he backed out. We tried to get him back, now our team has a new leader. Favre is my favorite player of all time, but what makes him great is that he is so flawed and yet at the same time so great. He made the wrong choice in retiring and now he wants to be released. NO WAY! He will never be a bear or viking, and you think he wants to play in TB or Carolina. He needs to retire, or come back and compete for the starting job, but he needs to make up his mind and live with his decision.

As for packer fans, we are PACKER fans. We care for the team first and not a player. Favre would definitely give us a better chance to win this year, but we must move one. Rodgers must develop as well as Brohm. It sucks but every team has to move on at some point. SO TO ALL YOU "FANS" like Rodgers said jump on board or shut your mouth because we are supposed to be the best fans in football and support the TEAM! and realize, even if they are a legend, when a player is being selfish and hurting the team. I love Brett, but its time to love AROD and the new packers!

Cameron McCarthy-California
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Hey Ted what big moves are you going to make your last year in Green Bay? Screw Aaron I will not shut my mouth and get on board.... on board what the "Rodgers IR Express" GET BRETT BACK AND START HIS ASS YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!....... goosefrabba.... goosefrabba...... I LOVE THE PACKERS. I HATE T.T.

Chris
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Packer Paul, light a torch for me while you're at it. I'll throw some money in for tar and feathers too. Damn TT.

lostinutah
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I'm in Madison Wisconsin right now visiting my sister-in-law and her husband and everyone in W'SCONI is in shock. What a FUCKING slap in the face by Thompson to suggest that Brett could come back, but only in a back-up role to Aaron "Buck" Rodgers. I would like to know LLtP's take right now.

I would like to call on all PACKER fans to call this number 920.569.7500 and ask for Ted...I bet he's hiding under his fucking desk, sucking his fucking thumb and weeping uncontrollably ... fuck this genius and his magical draft picks, fuck this loser who is so out of touch with reality and call this his crowning achievement and legacy as G.M. of the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.

PS. The PACKER PAUL express leaves tomorrow for Green Bay...


Hey Packer Paul, heading to Green Bay I see... is that to request an audience with TT himself. I hope you brought your pitchfork and torch with you. I have connections if you need additional items...  BK
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The team hired a private jet and planned a huge party to welcome him back, but Brett pulled the plug a couple days beforehand? That sure sounds like TT ran him out of town to me! Maybe Brett felt he should have been welcomed back on a nicer jet.

If this is true, I have no sympathy for Favre at all. He's acting like a complete ass. Yes, he was great for a ton of years, but how much crap should we put up with now to say thanks? Wasn't the $120 million the Packers paid him in salary enough? The Packers cannot let Favre just walk all over them. And that's exactly what they'll be doing if they take him back now. Christ.

The Packers should let him come to camp and make him take the 4th string QB reps. Brett Favre, throw the ball to Brett Swain. They should plan to keep him right up until the last cuts. Of course, if anybody besides a division team wants to actually ante up a decent draft pick to get Favre on their team with a few weeks to learn the offense, ship him out. Otherwise, cut him with the last group of cuts and let the rest of the league fight over him.

Ruppert


Hey Ruppert, the more information that comes out, especially from Brett's friends and family to make the Packers look bad, the more info we get about #4's wishy-washy-ness on returning when team actually asked him to and prepared for his return. All Brett needs to do is step in front of the microphone and speak his mind, because I'm starting to believe that half of these rumors and leaks aren't coming from him and aren't being done on his behalf. Speak Out Brett! Quit hiding behind your Mom and Wife.  BK
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It's come to my attention that there are two breeds of packer fans. One who will bleed for the GREEN BAY PACKERS and will root for them through the thick and thin. Then there are Brett Fans don't get me wrong i think Brett is the greatest QB of all time but when i hear people say they will root for the Viqueens or bears if they get Brett makes me sick , Ted had to make a decision and as much as i hate to say it Ted is right to stand by his decision the offense has evolved and once Brett said "I retire" the packers moved on. I know i will probably get some slack for this but it had to be said.

Green and Gold till the grave.

Dan Solberg



Hey Dan, if Brett Favre leaves and joins another team, even for an injury plagued short year, I'll never welcome him back in Green Bay. I'll give him the same party that Bill Schroeder received on his retirement as a Packer. Nothing.  BK
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worlds have just collided, friends.

jeff ircink
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It's a bleedin' soap opera, he said he was retiring now allegedly he doesn't want to, indecision the last few off seasons to whether he will or he won't, instead of family and friends mouthing off in the media that Brett's been wronged and wants to come back, why doesn't HE lets us know what he really thinks.
Greetz from Scotland

Bobby Freeman


Hey Bobby, you got it exactly right, we're hearing from everyone 'cept Brett. Speak Out Brett!  BK
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I think this puts things into perspective: Green Bay, Booze and Broads - Everything Is Spinning Out Of Control

Josh -- South Car
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BeerScout, any credibility you had with me just went down the tubes... You must be a left liberal whiner. How in the hell you can say the Packers should take Favre back is beyond my meager comprehension. It is apparent you have never been in a position of responsibility and management. Cudos to living up to you monniker - BeerKid - but friggin grow up and wake up to the fact that the progam that McCarthy an TT have put in place is bigger than anyone player, especially one that cannot win the big one anymore. Favre is a backup to Rodgers or tradebait, that is all. He is not a stater for this franchise any longer. Packer management should be commended for thier stance.

Any Packer Fan who thinks Favre should be the starting QB this season needs to be stomped into a greasy spot by this old fat redneck.

As always baby, luv the site, hugs-n-kisses - God Bless the Green-n-Gold.

Juan in Alabama.

Used to be Juan in San Diego but its California (it SUCKS!)


Hey Juan, great to see you re-appear in Alabama, where the last time I looked, there was no border activity to jeopardize your freedom with, but there is really 2 of us - BeerScout and BeerKid, kind of like dos Amigos, dos Cervezas, dos borrachos Packers aficionados al fútbol que gusta Green Bay, pero viven en el sur de California. Muy bueno! Besides, my actual alter ego elsewhere is Darth Vincent.  BeerKid
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I'm so effin Peed off at the Packers organization right now, that I'm officially no longer a Packer fan until TT is fired. I will root for the Vikings if Brett end up putting on that uniform. I know Brett was a waffler and all, but he was retired for only 3 months. The Packers didn't need to move on. Financially, they're better off with Favre. Keeping the fans happy, they're better off with Favre. Having a chance to make it deep into the playoffs, they're better off with Favre. WTF is TT and MM thinking? This is a business, and making an emotional decision based on your so called princple "you retired, and we moved on" just doesn't make good business sense. This isn't an ordinary player we're talking about, this is someone who's been the face of the organization for 16 years, is a legendary QB, and has earned the right to waffle a little bit. How long has TT been with the organization and what right does he have to tell our hero to go elsewhere.

Long time Packer fan
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My God... I am sick to my stomach. The Packers are and always will be more important than any individual player. But, Brett Favre is truly in another league. We need TT to do what is best for the team -- PERIOD. I honestly don't have a clue which option is best. All I know is that this surreal situation is damn near more intolerable than 30 years of shitty football. God bless the Green and Gold!

JJ -- CO
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Hey der Beerkid, Well, here is the stuff we were looking for to fill the void this summer, eh?

Obviously, Brett realizes he made a rash decision to retire, for whatever his reasons were. (management, physical burn-out, etc) Now, he's gotta eat a bit of crow-on-a-stick...unfortunately, he's had the reputation of being so indecisive in recent years as to whether he'd come back for another season that this time it's coming back to bite him in the butt. Maybe he felt that by retiring the Pack front office would finally see their mistake in not building a better team (especially in offense) while he was there that could win a SB. Maybe he thought they'd would make a few changes, and bring him back on his terms. Who knows? It still seems as if the front office is standing their ground to honor his retirement, a.k.a. not asking him back in a starting role, but rather as a back-up to A-Rod. Who is Brett's position would do that?! With that kind of offer on the table, I say he'll stay in Kiln and keep ridin the 'ol tractor.

I do know that Brett did put up with a mediocre offense for many years, and tried to bite the bullet. Sure he vented a little here and there, but nonetheless he dealt with what he had. Other QB's would've demanded to be traded, ranted to the media constantly, etc. and he didn't take it to that level. He just kept playing. ANY team would've taken him, and I don't recall him ever shopping around. (correct me if he did, BK) He just kept playing...

So, obviously he made a mess of things: by announcing his retirement, and now in apparent regret of that decision, hinting that he'd want to come back. And on a side note, of course he'd have an itch to return! The man loves to play football! He still has some game in him. Almost every athelete that retires goes through this. But getting back to my point, how many of us do/say things we regret? All of us, all the time. We screw up, we admit it, and move on. I think he's entitled to make a mistake. Now, the thing for Brett to do is admit he messed up, and move forward before he tarnishes himself in the eyes of the media as a primadonna, then no other team will want him IF he decides to come back. Of course, I would have a heavy heart if he went to another team, but I don't think TT will eat any crow and bring him back at this venture. So if Brett does come back to the NFL, I have to say I see it with another team. Maybe Atlanta? How ironic that would be.

As for me, I will continue to spend the summer keeping up on future episodes of "As The Cheese Turns Sour" and just waiting for kickoff! GO PACK GO!!

Lady K
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Holy Fu#k. Favre to Minnesota. I'm gonna be sick. Right after I am done puking, I am going to write a letter to TT and tell him how much I hate his arrogance.

Let the man play in Green and Gold for God Sakes. Real men don't wear purple.

For the love of God, what am I gonna do if this happens. I cannot concentrate on work, I have broken out in cold sweats, I am starting to convulse.

TT please come to your senses.

Hamilton aka Sign Boy
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I am with you BeerScout... I just feel sick. I love Brett and I love the Packers. Please, let's figure this out...

lostinutah
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Favre asked to be released from the Packers... I want to cry.

hayward pack fan
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PR frenzy... Sorry Brett no way will you get an unconditional release. Yes, you gave everything to the Organization but honoring that contract is exactly what you must do! Remember the Javon Walker situation. Thompson you must trade for a 1st round pick or a 2nd and 3rd. Chris Mortenson can go play in traffic. Sure, they all might have been in contact months prior but if you want play chess then the Packers hold the cards. We as a Packer nation support our team. No single player is above the team. Icon, Legend, what have you. Ask not what your team can do for you, but what you can do for your team!

Unhappy in Packerland.

Packerfan4Life
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I am all for the Favre soap opera to be done. Since TT came to the Packers as GM he has not wanted Favre there. I will also say Ted Thompson is not the genius many of you think he is. I say release Favre and and let him go play where he wants, if you do not want him back on the Packers. I would love to see Brett play another year but if the Green Bay management does not want him, let him move on to play for a team that would be excited about having him come in to play. I will always hold TT accountable for not bringing in receivers, ends, or backs, that could have made it easier for Favre to decide to keep playing for the Packers. This whole mess could have been avoided. Yes, it truly is a mess and it is Brett's and Ted's fault.

This is going to be a tough year for the Packers either way. I hope they play great but the way we sit on our money in free agency leads me to be very fearful of the future. This situation is an embarrassment to the Packer organization.

CAMP
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Packers are cool on Favre coming back? OMG, that's insane. TT needs to be run out of town. For real.

Mark
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Hey Beerkid, This is just a quick shout out to "Long Live the Pack" and a reply to his most recent rant about my position on Ted Thompson. It seems again that Ted can do no wrong with you. There is a reason why Seattle gladly let this guy go and it's apparent that the PACKER organization, the team and its loyal fans will have to make do with who we have sitting in the G.M. office (For now). In my opinion, Ted is the big reason for Brett's quick decision to retire last March and you're right, there is so much more that we don't see or hear about coming out of Green Bay, but if your supervisor treated you the way Ted has reportedly treated Brett Favre at your place of employment would you be a happy camper?

If not Thompson, I would like to know your theory as to why Brett announced his retirement when you and I both know he still had "plenty left in the tank."

(Follow me on this now) Have you ever regretted a decision you've made only to come to terms with your inner feelings and you did an about-face, and as it turned out, rethinking your initial decision turned out to be the best decision after all?

I believe the situation that the front office has to deal with right now with Brett Favre is a no brainer. You take him back and put aside what differences you may have had in the past and look forward. I believe Brett still is Super Bowl material (Possibly 30 other NFL teams think so too) and I believe the talent he has around him will most definitely take us to the "Promised Land" and add another Lombardi Trophy to our collection.

Speaking of Lombardi, I would have to say your comparison of Ted Thompson and Vince Lombardi is totally off the mark. There will never be another Vince Lombardi and nor will there ever be another Brett Favre, and LLtP, Ted Thompson is no Vince Lombardi.

Should Ted come to his senses and invite Brett back for another season (sooner than later would be nice), then all I can say is enjoy the ride now folks because greatness is short lived in the NFL. We have been blessed and fortunate enough to have the greatest QB to have played the game right in our Fuck'n backyard and some people are willing to see him play for another team? How about Minnesota? Personally I could not stomach that thought, could you?

I think you knew in the back of your mind that Brett wasn't finished, with the year he and the team had last season; and this recent turn of events does not surprise this PACKER fan.

It has been over 10 years since our last Super Bowl win, I think Brett deserves another SB run after all he has meant for the team and PACKER Nation. GO PACK GO!!!

Respectfully,

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.
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Brett built the packers more than Aaron, Ted, Mike or who ever else you want to name. If it were not for Brett there would have been no Reggie, Sean, or Ahman. The stadium would be dilapidated and we would be crying in our beer every game by the middle of the first quarter. Brett should get in shape and wait for the call when Aaron is snapped in half, ride in on a stallion and take us to the super bowl.

maximusschnitzengruben
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I agree with Long Live the Pack and Ruppert, in regards to Ted's role, like I said the Favre camp is manipulating the media to make this all Ted's fault, but again, this off-season, Ted explained to Brett that he was still wanted in Green Bay and that the Packers felt he could still play and lead the team and then Ted asked Brett to make his own decision, like a grown-up, and Brett made it. To answer the question as to the Packers owing Brett more, Brett has a 465 acre spread with a mansion on the river in Mississippi, and no financial worries for the rest of his life and most likely the lives of his children and grand-children, he's a beloved, as of right now, icon in the state of Wisconsin and throughout the NFL...What more could Ted and the Packers owe him? If this was one of us poor slobs, we'd be so thankfull for the opportunity and good fortune that we'd probably be willing to do just about anything to promote the organization and team and wouldn't dream of creating any distractions or issues for the club. But then our frame of reference is different, isn't it, we're working slobs and nobodies kissing our ass and throwing money at us. I have some bitterness to work out in therapy, but I think I made my point.

Schrades
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Quoth Lombardi...

   A man can be as great as he wants to be. If you believe in yourself and have the courage, the determination, the dedication, the competitive drive and if you are willing to sacrifice the little things in life and pay the price for the things that are worthwhile, it can be done.

Now For Some Humor... 


The Green Bay Packers announced this morning that quarterback Brett Favre will go on injured reserve and miss the remainder of the season to undergo major surgery on his right throwing elbow. The team says the procedure will likely end his career and stop the media circus centered around his comeback bid from retirement.

The Packers also disclosed this morning that Favre's elbow is not actually injured.
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Why is Brett Favre afraid of Lions?

Oh. That's right. He's not.
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There's a guy in the Minnesota who needs a new car so he went to a car dealership and said, "I need a new car." Then the dealerman said, "We have such a new car that if you say what kind of music you want it comes on." The dealerman said, "Would you like to take it for a spin? The guy said, sure." So he took it for a ride he said, "Rock" it came on. Then he said, "Country" it came on. Then at a red light some Packer Fans came speeding by and then the guy said, "You stupid idiots." Then the Vikings game came on!
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Four guys climb Mount Rainier in Washington to show their devotion to their favorite teams... One guy devoted to the Giants, one guy a fan of the local Seahawk team, one for the Packers and one for the Vikings. So they all make to the top of Rainier so the Giants fan says, "For the Giants Super Bowl Champions" and jumps off. The Seahawks fan not hesitating, screams "For the 'Hawks!" and jumps off.

The Vikings Fan says "For the Vikings" and pushes the Packers fan off. (alternate ending alert!) ...and tries to push the Packers fan off, who reverse holds him and casts him down the rocky mountainside where laying bloody and broken, his feeble pleas for help answered only by Sasquatch, who determinedly pulls and tugs and finally plops the Viking fans's head off. Hungry to claim his prize, Bigfoot instead exclaims "What? No brains?" Thanks the Packers fan for his effort and quickly strides away into the night.
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Q. Why was head coach Brad Childress upset when the Vikings playbook was stolen?

A. Because T-Jack hadn't finished coloring in it.
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A Chicago Bears football fan was almost killed in a tragic horse accident. He fell from the horse and was nearly trampled to death. Thank God the manager of the K-Mart came out and unplugged it.
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Favre's original WR tandom was Jesus and Moses
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What would Vince Lombardi say if he was alive right now?

"Help! Help! Get me out of this coffin!"
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Why Do the Packers have natural grass in their field? Its for their cheerleaders to graze on.
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Quoth Lombardi...

   I am the Fred Astaire of karate.

Tuesday, July 08, 2008

Should Have Known Better... 

There's some strange things banging around inside my head this morning, things that were said and done, against what should have been said and done. The first occurrence goes back to the Packers-Cowboys game last year when Brett Favre came to the bench while Aaron Rodgers went into the game to try to revive a flagging Packers offense.
  • What Brett Did:  He went to the bench and acted as if he didn't care what was happening on the field.
  • What Brett Should Have Done:  He should have sat down the bench for a few moments, caught his breath, adjusted to the pain, and then gone back to the sidelines to stand next to his coaches and team-mates. Then at the first chance when Aaron Rodgers was looking his way to receive a play call, Brett should have bellowed out for everyone in the stadium to hear "C'mon Aaron - Beat these Motherf**kers!!!"
Things would be different between the two today if he had. I don't know what happens on the practice field or in the film-room, but there has been a perception that the coaching staff must be aware of, the disdain that Brett has for helping out the QB's underneath him improve, and that's got to be one of the main reasons why the Packers were ready to quickly move on without him.

Another almost now forgotten incident from early last week was the great quote from Aaron Rodgers during an interview. The one thing that has bothered me, and I'll admit almost all my information on this subject comes from Chris Havel, Harry Sydney, and Johnny Gray on their WDUZ Sportsline Radio shows, is the whiny arrogance that Aaron Rodgers has portrayed at given moments over the years since being drafted. He is a 1st round pick, selected to replace an aging legend, and you want the confidence to show that you can replace an aging legend. But Aaron comes across quite a bit differently than what the Packer fans are used too. Which led to the following.
  • What Aaron Said:  "I don't feel I need to sell myself to the fans, They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut."
  • What Aaron Should Have Said:  "I don't have to sell myself to the fans, my hard work and focus on winning games and getting the Packers into a position to get into the Super Bowl will. The fans love Brett Favre, I love the fans, it will work out."
It's easy to say the right things, Aaron just needs to be on-guard constantly, the media wants him to make mistakes, they want to badger him on retired/un-retired Brett Favre, and he has to curb that urge to lash-out and be harsh, we love tough words, we just don't want to be preached at about getting on board a band-wagon or else...

Now back to the current event on everyone's radar. The rumors that Brett Favre wants to return to the Packers and play this year. Just like everyone assumed until that first week in March when Brett jolted the Packers Nation by announcing that he was hanging up his cleats and wanted his football locker to preserve for mankind's future. Who said that we shall be "Judged by our words and actions", well Brett you started all this crap-ola yourself and you do risk alienating a lot of fans everywhere if you pull a power move to return to an active roster.
  • What Brett Said:  "I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired... I felt like coming back... I guess it was a challenge I wasn't up for."
  • What Brett Should Have Said:  "I'm still the starting QB for the Green Bay Packers, and the day they don't want me to be the starting QB, I will be happy standing around as the backup being paid untold millions to watch the young guys play."
It's easy, they should have known better...

BeerKid - Always Pack 4 Life!
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Saw this on the news this morning.



PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.
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Lemme clarify that while I'm irritated at Favre for letting this drag on and making the team look bad, he's still the best QB on the team. I think Rodgers will be a good QB if healthy, but if Favre wants to come back, Rodgers will just have to sit there for another year. Why would he really care, anyway? One more year sitting around is one more year he gets free money AND doesn't risk injury. Hell, he's worth more and more every year based on one good game....look at what Houston shelled out for Schaub.

A lot of so-called media experts (Peter King, for one) are proclaiming today that the Packers don't want Favre back. THAT makes no sense. They would have taken him back if he said in March "I'm coming back," but now they won't???? Why not?

Rodgers' contract runs out after 2009. If they like him as much as they let on, just let Favre come back in 08 and re-do Rodgers' deal to add a couple years and give him some more cash. Not $50 mil or anything, but compensate him for sitting.

Maybe Favre IS pissed at the team and wants to play somewhere else. Maybe that's why he started working out right after announcing his retirement. If only he'd pick up a phone and tell somebody...

Ruppert
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Hope all's well BeerKid!!! Came back from camping and WOW!!, all this news about Favre. I'd say if Favre wants to come back, they need to trade/release him. I believe the Pack wants to go w/A-Rod and Favre wants to stay in a Pack uniform, so he only had a couple options. But all I've seen A-Rod do is play as well as Favre when he's played. I thought last year towards the end of the season that Favre started playing more like a guy that was getting tired of the long grind. If he's talking retirement every year you've gotta wonder about his desire??? I personally think that A-Rod gives them the better chance. All he did during the Dallas game was make the throws Favre should have, plus he'll scramble if it's there, and it's all about moving the chains!!! I think A-Rod will be playing w/a chip on his shoulder after all this and his free-fall he had to sit through in front of the cameras during the draft. Just wish they'd get all this drama wrapped up quickly!

Long Live the Pack!!!
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This photo was taken when Brett announced his retirement from Professional Football... It may just be me, but does it seem that Ted looks a bit nervous as to whether Brett would spill-the-beans about how Ted showed NO interest in his returning for another season with the team??

(And doesn’t Deanna look a bit pissed off… at, oh I don’t know, perhaps………Thompson????)

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.
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Hey Beerkid... I don't mean to sound like a "broken record" when it comes to TT and my previous theory/gut feeling about why Brett announced his retirement back in March, but this article only reconfirms that my theory and feelings may be legit.

Favre's circle targets Thompson as fall guy by Mike Vandermause/Green Bay Press-Gazette

If Brett decides to come back and he is either dealt/traded or decides to suit up with another team besides our beloved PACKERS, I will personally drive to Green Bay and fire up the first torch and sharpen everyone’s pitch fork and head to Ted "The Village Idiot" Thompson's office @ 1265 Lombardi Avenue with a fury.

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.
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Hey BeerKid, I'd like to comment to Packer Paul. If Favre isn't sure he really wants to play the first game of the season, what do you think he's thinking by the 16th?? For all we know, the management has noticed that by week ten, he's looking and acting like he rather be sitting on his tractor in MS. He's decent enough he can probably get by with that. Might not be enough for SB's. We see so little that they see on a daily basis. As for TT... shame, shame, shame on you. All he's done is put together a young team that was three points from the SB and it's not good enough for you. Whose next, Lombardi... maybe he should have won a few more???? If Favre wanted to keep playing, he could have as long as he wanted, even if he didn't give them best chance to win, which I think is management's thinking. Like I've said before, they didn't get their jobs cause they're idiots. Now Favre's created a hell of a mess!!!

Long Live the Pack!!!
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Oh, No, No, No, No, No, ya just knew he was going to pull this soap opera shit, and fricken Bus Cook and Bonita and the gang are going to wage a media war deflecting all responsibility off of Brett and placing it squarely on Ted's shoulders. So that when Brett gets what he wants, and fans are upset, at least they won't blame good 'ole Brett. Its time to move on, the distractions, and bullshit, OMG this is suppose to be the time when everybody is recharging getting their heads screwed on tight for training camp, not this crap. If training camp and pre-season suffer and that distraction infests the regular season it will be because some one found his farm in Mississippi a lot more boring than he had planned and had to, just had to make it about himself, yet again, it goes back to the "Will he, won't he" bologna we had to slog through each off season. I know how most of you feel about Brett, but I'm a Packer fan first. Can any of you see Bart, Ray, Paul, Henry, Forrest, Jerry, Fuzzy, Herb, Willie (Davis and Wood) doing this kind of shit? GO PACKERS!

Schrades



Hey Scrades, great point, Favre will definitely have the media and most of the fans on his side. I hope TT & MM a plan.  BK
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We all wanted Brett to come back for at least another year. When he retired, we were sad but pragmatic about the fact that he had a great career and we were greatly entertained for a long time but eventually it had to happen. I was upset for weeks after the news conference, but I was starting to think about life after Favre.

I wish he had not retired without making sure it was time. I wish he had not put the Packers into a tough spot. I wish he had not put Rogers in a tough spot. I can think of no graceful way out of this mess. Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rogers, and the Packers cannot win this.

Brett could go quietly into the night at this point, or Aaron Rogers could let everyone off the hook by biting his tongue and welcoming Favre back with open arms. Anything else will be as awkward as a 70 year old man at a hip hop concert.

draftfan
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Brett (Text message): Hello Ted, I would love to come back to play in 08-09 and, well I mean I believe we can win the NFC Championship and secure another Lombardi trophy and ring for my left hand, so what do you say Ted?"

Ted "The Village Idiot" (Text): "Let me get back to you; I'm taking a shit and I'm on vacation in Branson..."

Is this how you treat a 3 time MVP?

PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.
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Hey BeerKid, I want to rewrite Packer Paul's text message from TT to Favre.

Farve text mesage: I'd love to come back and try again for another SB in 2008, yada..... yada...... yada......

TT text message: I'd be begging you to come back if you were a three time SB champion like Starr, Bradshaw, Brady, etc. instead of a three time MVP (and a SB champion with the likes Rob Johnson and Trent Dilfer). One SB win in sixteen years (w/plenty of help from Reggie and D. Howard) doesn't lead me to believe it'll be much different in year 17. If you'd just dumpped the ball off in a couple of those games, maybe something happens to keep the drive alive or we punt and play D or even maybe...... they fumble or muff the punt and we continued playing the next week. Instead you throw the shit pass on our end of the field to wrap up our season a couple of those years. As much crap as I'll have to take for all this, I'm doing what's best for the Packers and their chances of winning SUPERBOWL'S. At the rate your going it'll take us forty years just to win a couple. I'm looking to find the guy that can win us a couple every five years or so.......... One stinking trophy in all those years was just not enough and I just won't take the easy route and settle for pretty good vs. possibly moving on to great.

Answer to "is that how you treat a 3 time MVP?..... maybe. Answer to "is that how you treat a three time Superbowl Champion?....... NEVER..........you beg them to come back and win a few more for you!!!!!

Long Live the Pack!!!


Hey Long Live The Pack, I just read an interesting article from Patrick Reusse in the Star Tribune - No clamor at all for Favre's return - that Green Bay is split almost 50-50 over Brett's return. I know it's from enemy territory, but we'll find out soon enough, he will at least be in town for his buddy Frank Winters' HOF Ceremony.

I don't know why fans feel it's the Organizations fault that Brett wants to return, he was the one who retired, he was the one who was crying over missing the games to come, he absolved the Packers of forcing his hand. Now if he's not man enough to come out in front of these rumors that are coming from his friends and family and state categorically that he wants to return to the Packers or another team, then he is the bawling little girl that retired back in March 2008. Who has time for this... I don't.  BK

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Please for the love of God, DO NOT LET NUMBER FOUR WEAR ANY OTHER COLORS THAN GREEN AND GOLD. TT, that last comment was aimed at you. If you do decide to fu#k with me and Packer Nation, I will be standing next to Packer Paul with my torch, a machete, and maybe a sawed off. If Number 4 wants to play, let him freaking play!!!

Now, here is a scenario that may or may not have been addressed. Do you think MM and TT last year after the NFC Championship sat Number 4 down and said "Listen Brett, we like ya, we just don't love ya. It is time to let A-Rod take the reigns. You can either back him up, or back yourself out."

Number 4's hand was pushed and he opted the retirement thing. That picture of TT and MM at the conference says a lot. Now he realizes that he did not want to retire so he decides to shove it back in TT's face?

I want him to play, you want him to play, the whole Packer Nation wants him to play, it looks as if the media want him to play, we know Madden wants him to play, EA sports wants him to play, his teammates (if they want to win) want him to play, but TT and MM don't. Who is going to win? It ain't gonna be TT if he deals him to another team.

Number 4 gets another SB in '08-'09. GO PACK GO!!!

PS On the EA sports note. What the hell was EA thinking putting a retired player on the cover? Were they actually going to have him on the game? Or was A Rod going to have the starting spot? How would A Rod feel if in the game Favre started while Favre was nowhere actually on the real field of play? Why would I buy a game with Number 4 on the cover if he wasn't even in the game? (because I am a Packer Fan) If he does play, does the fact that he was retired at one point negate the EA Curse? I sure the hell hope so.

Just a few things to ponder.

Hamilton aka Sign Boy
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After every season, Thompson demands NOTHING of Favre except that he make up his mind before the draft. He doesn't badger Favre--he doesn't use the media as some tool to get Favre to do what he wants. Basically, he gives Favre the respect a hall-of-famer deserves by letting him make up his own mind. I commend him for this. And don't forget that this "idiot" has done one hell of a job of putting a young, talented team together, too. How far did Favre and the Packers go with Mike Sherman's abortion of a 2005 roster?

Packer Paul, what do you want Thompson to do differently in this mess? Do you want him to get on TV and beg? Maybe drive down to MS and beg? I think you need to get off Thompson's ass for this one.

As far as the text goes, the team literally cannot do a damn thing until Favre applies for reinstatement IN WRITING, so I honestly think it's kind of funny how Thompson replied. Reminds me of Major League when they called up Lou and asked him to be the manager of the Indians. He replies, "I got a guy on the other line who wants to buy some whitewalls...I'll call you back."

Ruppert
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Hey 'kid...Feelin' 'Farvelous' here in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada...that being said...I just wish Brett would shit or get off the pot on this thing...if he's coming back just do it! All this rumour stuff is like a bad fart in the locker room...it just lingers and makes you feel sick.

Tony - Pack 4 Life in Canada


Hey Tony, all those bad fart's in the Packers locker room were from Brett (surgery, intestine removal) and he took advantage of it, much to the distress of his fellow team-mates, I'm sure...  BK
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Quoth Lombardi...

   If you can accept losing, you can't win.

Saturday, July 05, 2008

A Chilling Tale Of Horror... 


Just when you thought it was safe to walk before the legends of Green Bay's historic past... Beware! Amongst the gray ghosts there are a few who not quite dead yet.

Grab your women, hide your children, it's time for Packer Palace's Monster Horror Chiller Theatre to bring you this summer night a Chilling Tale Of Horror that will rattle your bones all weekend long.

Beware! It's another weird Packers tale of terror and walking dead men from under the Tundra of Lambeau Field. If the ball tolls for you, then the The Ball Tolls Death!



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Friday, July 04, 2008

Happy 4th Of July... 







Thursday, July 03, 2008

When Favrce Becomes... 

I need a new word to describe what's going on these days in Cheddar-land, and I've decided to combine Favre+farce to create "favrcial". So with all this crazy-talk in the air, there are at least 2 things I do know:
  1. Brett Favre will always want to play competitive football until the day is body is too broken down to oblige him. His body is relatively injury free, that's why we were all surprised back in March that he had the tearful "I know I can still play, but it's like I told my wife, I'm just tired mentally. I'm just tired," news conference. Brett will always want to play football.
  2. Agent Bus Cook will make money if Brett plays anywhere in the NFL this year. If Brett decides to report to training camp, it will force the Packers to accept him or trade/release him. Bus Cook wants Brett Favre to play this year.
So with those 2 things in mind let's dive into the recent rash of rumors and storylines that have crashed down like a wave on us Packers fans these last few days.

ESPN's Chris Mortenson seems to have his fingerprints all over this. His reports listed a "Packers source" and "the source" and seeing that CB Al Harris was about to be on the show... that's led some to believe that Al might be the source. Brett says his retired. Bus Cook says Brett's retired. The Packers are under the impression that he's retired. Then another story comes out... Brett reached out to the Packers about returning a few weeks ago. It goes on and on and on again... and then comes back around for more.

The best line I saw was a random comment from somewhere that mentioned that "Brett will want to un-retire every year for the next 10 years". I laughed, it was one of those revealing moments about #4's competitiveness that we have all admired over the years. Another commenter mentioned "put him on the Vikings and it's Super Bowl time". Yikes! Perish the thought. So whether one would want Brett Favre back to play with the Packers, that's most of us, or whether one really believed the Packers should move on without Brett, that's very few of us, (I can go either way, I half-expected Aaron Rodgers to out-play Brett this preseason and maybe, actually earn the starting QB job away from #4) but we should look at some of the fall-out that might happen if Brett really wants to play football this year.

Favre returns, starts at QB, the Packers play this season with their old legendary QB at the helm. Worse case, he gets hurt early, Packers on the hook for 12 million. Who cares. I don't. He generates world-wide interest and revenue that out-shine that 12 million salary easily. In fact, I'm guessing that both CEO Mark Murphy and GM Ted Thompson are also aware of that revenue-stream and both realize how pressed they are going to be to replace that stream in the near-future. Favre returns, the Packers GM Ted Thompson with head coach Mike McCarthy decide they don't want Brett, they release him. Brett joins the team of his choice. Any other scenario gets real ugly, real fast. Trade him? To whom for what? It would have to be team of Brett's choice. Grant his wish to be released, sure, but with this caveat, "Hey Brett, would you please return the 2 years of that pro-rated signing bonus that are still left on your contract". It may only be a few million, but Brett doesn't get to take it with him to another team.

If Brett wants to come back, fine, he doesn't need to use Al Harris as his back channel source to the media, just flippin' show up and force all of us to either "love you or leave you", because what we have now, this 4-Ring Circus that we Packers fans have been subjugated to over the years, the "I can't play for this coach (McCarthy vs Bates drama), my family doesn't want me to play, I don't want to learn a new system, it's not fun anymore" has now graduated to the "I want to play, my family wants me to play, I'll play for any coach or any new system, anywhere!" has become something beyond farce, so yeah, with #4 involved, I guess it's become Favrcial!!!

BeerKid - Still Pack 4 Life!

Here's the articles I was reading before my rant if anyone is interested.
  • Deadspin - Brett Favre: The Packers Really Don't Want You To Come Back (But ESPN Does!)
  • WSJ - Packers: Favre has "itch" to play'
  • Pro Football Talk - Harris A Source For Mort’s Favre Report?
  • The Sporting News - If Favre plays, it might not be in Green Bay
  • WSJ - Oates: This Favre thing could get ugly for all parties involved
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    2nd chance TiVo ALERT! On the NFL Network, tomorrow night (Saturday), at 7:00 central time... the game that started it all...

    Cincinnati Bengals vs. Green Bay Packers - 9/20/1992 - Favre's First Comeback: Brett Favre took over the quarterback job in relief of injured starter Don Majkowski to engineer a 24-23 comeback victory against the Bengals. He was 22-for-39 passing that day for 289 yards and two touchdowns.

    Rookies that you will see: Edgar Bennett, Frank Winters, Robert Brooks (who the commentators frequently call "Johnathan Brooks"), T-Buck (his first punt/kick return for TD). And on the sideline, well, I see a lot of old guys with HUGE aviator style glasses, but mixed in you see the start of the youth movement -- Jon Gruden, Dick Jauron, Mooch, Nolan Cromwell, Ray Rhodes (worst head coach ever), and even Ted Thompson (yes the guy who is now GM) on the sideline.

    Take note and watch for the crowd shots. This was obviously the beginning of a new WINNING era. This being said, when the camera pans the crowd, it's like seeing vintage footage from the early days of football -- blue hairs and old farts still rule the seats, the "wait until next year" gang, odd hats, HUGE glasses, most folks in SWEATERS (even though it's an early September game, you know, the month after August -- WARM TO SAY THE LEAST). Nowadays (and all through the Favre/winning era), it's a much much younger crowd. Watch the game, you'll see what I mean. And enjoy...

    about time
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    BK, thanks for touching on the angle that having Favre on the team ends up producing a lot of revenue for the Packers. It's even more important because the revenue he creates is "local" revenue, and not subject to sharing with the rest of the league. Ted and Murph gotta realize that getting Brett back is a good business decision, regardless of how he performs. This alone makes it impossible for me to believe the team "isn't doing enough to show him they want him back." What does he want them to do? Fly down once a week and beg? The entire world knows the Packers want him back.

    If he has been working out like crazy for the last couple months, why the hell did he announce his retirement in the first place? I realize he can work out if he wants to, but why make the announcement, then promptly start working out like a madman? Was he planning on this all along?

    Brett needs to plant his ass in front of a camera right now and produce some answers, because he's letting the organization look pretty bad. And when push comes to shove, this Packers fan is going to be a fan of the TEAM first, and the wishy-washy retirement guy second.

    Ruppert


    Hey Ruppert, Brett really represents the Football God Of War better perhaps than any other player in the league, old, gritty, and a QB. If he wants to play this year, then I want him on the Packers roster. I kid, I kid with re-showing the grampa old man Favre still on roster in 2035 picture, both Brett and un-tested Aaron Rodgers are better than 1/2 the QB's in the league.  BK
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    I agree with you, BeerKid, the Packers can beat out the Vikqueens for the conference title. I just don't know if Rodgers will be playing every game.

    That said, if Brett comes back, I will welcome him with open arms. We're all entitled to make mistakes and change our minds, even Brett Lorenzo Favre.

    lostinutah
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    I keep telling myself that despite his long career, enormous income, and admiring fans everywhere, Brett Favre is still pretty young. Like most kids who have not reached 40 yet, he is prone to doing things that defy logic. That would include his inability to handle his retirement with grace and style. Like a lot of post-teenagers he is impulsive and not able to think in terms of long-term consequences and the finality of things. That is why young people drink and drive, take on too much debt, jump from a good job to a bad one....they don't have the ability to think those things through to conclusion.

    We all want to see Favre play again, but we also know that he MIGHT have one or two years left in the tank. Anyone remember the look on his face in the two cold-weather games at Lambeau. That was the running-on-empty Favre that we don't want to see. Unfortunately that is more likely than any possibility that he can play better next year than he did last year.

    Please Brett....do yourself, your legacy, the Packers, the fans, Aaron Rogers, Mike McCarthy, and Ted Thompson a big favor....stick to the playbook and don't throw one into triple coverage against the wind. You should know by now how many times that ends up biting you in the ass.

    draftfan


    Hey draftfan, since posting this earlier I went looking for the one piece of info I hadn't come across yet - was Brett Favre eating deep-fried catfish and fries or working out. Word comes he's working out like crazy. Green Bay is going to have no other option but to welcome the old timer back, and now maybe Jason Taylor does have a reason to come to Green Bay for 1 year, and Aaron Rodgers is just going to have to wait again before he's the guy running the team.  BK
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    Hey Beerkid, Check out this article about Aaron "Buck" Rodgers and how he's spouting off about how the PACKER NATION should basically piss or get off the pot when it comes to accepting and rooting for him as our new QB .... Or IS he our QB???

    NFL NETWORK and the sports world are all over the story that Number 4 is thinking about a possible comeback. This PACKER fan would LOVE to see another season or two with Brett Favre under center.

    GO PACK GO and da-queens and da-bears STILL S-U-C-K!! To those male vi-queen fans who have infiltrated this AWESOME website, GO FUCK YOURSELVES and go back to your sorry ass lives and see what's on your favorite cable channel, "The WE" (Women's Entertainment) and ABC’s “The View.” MO-FO's!!!
      Packers' Rodgers Says He Meant Nothing Negative By Comments Quarterback Quoted In Sports Illustrated Story UPDATED: 7:59 pm CDT July 2, 2008

      GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said he wants to clear up any misunderstanding about his comments in Sports Illustrated. Rodgers said he cares deeply about Packers fans and didn't mean anything negative by his quote in the magazine, which hit newsstands Wednesday.

      Rodgers is one of several quarterbacks featured in the magazine article who replace legends, like Brett Favre. When asked whether he feels pressure to connect with Packers fans the way Favre did, Rodgers is quoted as saying, "I don't need to sell myself to fans. They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut." But Rodgers said his track record with the fans should speak for itself, including community work and autograph signing.

      Madison area Packer fans had mixed feelings regarding Rodgers comments. "Most fans it seems to me, actually liked that he was that forthright and said what he thought and then like his aggressive demeanor I guess," said Owen Murphy with ESPN Radio. Brian Anderson, co-owner of Fan 4 Ever, weighed in on the issue as well. "I really kind of feel bad for the guy. He's in a no-win position right now. He's been waiting and waiting. How do you follow Brett Favre?" said Anderson. ESPN Radio's Mike Heller said, "But this is like a fumble or an interception. He threw a bad ball; he said words he shouldn't have said. There's no getting around that he said fans should shut their mouths if they're not on board, and that's a big mistake."

      When asked about his comments, Rodgers backtracked on his statement, telling the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he cares about the fans and their opinions. He said like all athletes, he wants Green Bay fans to pull for his success. Rodgers has spent three years backing up Favre and will have his shot this season as the No. 1 quarterback now that Favre has retired.

    PACKER PAUL - Minneapolis, MN.


    Hey Packer Paul, I was surprised after all that was accomplished last year with the Packers, that Brett Favre retired so emotionally and so quickly. I feel for Aaron Rodgers... just like I did with Mark Brunell, Matt Hassleback, Aaron Brooks (a little) and Ty Detmer (OK not really) when they were backups in Green Bay.  BK
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    Living in MN, it is the same thing year in and year out.....the Queens go out and overspend on players, making 2 players the highest paid at their position in the history of the game back to back years in fact, and then the illiterate loudmouths feel the need to beat their chests and emit the craziest shit to come out of a sports watcher's (not a fan, because fans actually sell out their teams season opener) mouth.

    Silly little tards......they keep sticking their fingers in the socket and expect not to get jolted!

    Scott - "Formerly Drunk on Water Street"


    Yo Scott! I've been waiting for anyone to notice that those 2 fat DT's they have in the middle, are a year older, a year slower, and just about any teams C, RG and LG can deal with those guys these days, the Vikqueens always look good on their paper, they just don't deliver when push comes to shove during the season.  BK
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      Hello there. I come to flame and talk trash. I think the fudge packers wil be in for a rude awakening when Erin Rogers tries to take over where Burnt fart left off. You guys are aware of that right? The Vikings have the best team and the best QB's in the division. The fudge packers have zero nfl starts on their roster!

      Viking fan
    And that being said, dear friends. Is why the Mudducks live across the great Mississippi from us. Life is Good on this side. Amen.

    Lemondrop
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    BeerKid, enjoy your non-worrying time and glad to see your re-emergence!

    God knows I'm hoping AR is more durable...I'm even saying prayers really quietly in church, but I still don't have the faith.

    Oh, and let's get us some Jason Taylor, shall we?

    lostinutah


    Hey Lost, let's see, Brett returns, TT trades for Jason Taylor, KGB remains on the roster, [/sarcasm on] well maybe, just maybe then, and perhaps only then will the Packers be favored over the Vikqueens for the NFC North this year. [/sarcasm off] The Packers are going to be NFC North Champs again this year, with or without Brett and Jason.  BK
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    hey beerkid, i was wondering if you, or any of the packers faithful, have solid idea of what players on our roster are coming up on the end of the contract. specifically, how long do our 2 O-tackles have left and do you see TT resigning them?

    brewsky in vb


    Hey Brewsky, offhand I don't know exactly, but both Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher were extended around the same time years ago. Will TT re-sign either of them? Maybe Tauscher... Clifton has bad knees and the backup Tackles haven't generated any excitement, it's maybe TT's one failing, getting excellent players for the O-Line.  BK
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    TiVo ALERT! On the NFL Network, tomorrow night (Monday), at 7:00 central time... the game that started it all...

    Cincinnati Bengals vs. Green Bay Packers - 9/20/1992 - Favre's First Comeback: Brett Favre took over the quarterback job in relief of injured starter Don Majkowski to engineer a 24-23 comeback victory against the Bengals. He was 22-for-39 passing that day for 289 yards and two touchdowns.

    about time


    Hey About Time, so late putting this up, but I hope many got the chance to watch this game if you've never seen it. The last drive for the TD is something I've watched 20 times. Starting at the 8yd line, throwing a 1yd pass, oh it looks futile, but then it ends with that dead-on perfect pass to Kitrick Taylor for the winning score, well not quite, after Brett ran all around the field celebrating, he forgot that as the backup QB coming into the game, he held the ball for the extra point attempt. I'm pretty sure he was quoted as being out of breath and almost hyperventilating, and maybe even his eyes were watered up... but the extra-point was good and the Packers with new head coach Mike Holmgren won their first of many games together. The game even has the tease of T-Buck starting the rally with a punt return for a TD. If you've missed the game, find a copy to watch. It's an all-time classic.  BK
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    Quoth Lombardi...

    I don't think there's a punch-line scheduled, is there?
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